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GOP 'Moderates': Lost in a Sea of Contradictions
NewsMax ^ | 1/31/05 | Wes Vernon

Posted on 01/31/2005 5:31:07 PM PST by wagglebee

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If her own words in black and white don't mean what they appear to mean, then we must ask whether failure to say what you mean and mean what you say is "moderate."

Whitman was rewarded by Bush with a high-ranking post, and this is how she repays it. She, Specter and the rest of the RINO's should be shown the door as far as I'm concerned.

1 posted on 01/31/2005 5:31:07 PM PST by wagglebee
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RINO's are an annoyance, but they serve one purpose. They win elections in liberal districts which would otherwise elect even worse 'Rats. So I'm willing to tolerate them, as long as they don't wield too much power.


2 posted on 01/31/2005 5:36:54 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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But look at what Bloomberg has done in NYC, his leftist agenda went way beyond anything the 'Rats had ever even dreamed of.


3 posted on 01/31/2005 5:42:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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Watch Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican. He may someday be our first black president

As an Ohioan, I agree. And Blackwell is a conservative....a real, anti-tax conservative.

4 posted on 01/31/2005 5:43:44 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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Why doesn't she just drop the facade, and come out as a Democrat?


5 posted on 01/31/2005 5:44:21 PM PST by rdb3 (The wife asked how I slept last night. I said, "How do I know? I was asleep!")
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Wow. If she's a "moderate" conservative, I guess I really am the Neo-Con my socialist friends and relatives think me to be.

It's so confusing! ;)


6 posted on 01/31/2005 5:47:08 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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I think the first black president will be Condi Rice. If it's not Rice, I think the 'Rats will continue to promote Barack Obama as a "centrist" and have him run as VP with Hitlery and then run for president at a later date.


7 posted on 01/31/2005 5:48:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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Moderates, by nature, are contradictory: mostly, they just don't know what they believe in or hold the positions they do.

It wasn't the moderates who elected, then re-elected, George W. Bush. Nor did they elect a GOP Congress. They are irrelevant in the Republican Party. Kick 'em to the curb!
8 posted on 01/31/2005 5:51:08 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (Stop Hillary - PEGGY NOONAN '08)
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I couldn't agree more, throw their a$$es out!


9 posted on 01/31/2005 5:55:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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I agree that we have to accept a few RINOs. For instance, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe may be the best we can do in Maine. My problem is with the truly treasonous RINOs, like Lincoln Chaffee, and with their habit of trying to spread their influence where they're not wanted or needed.

Why on earth did we get Specter again, when Pennsylvania will just as easily elect a good conservative? It elected Rick Santorum, after all, although he may have damaged himself by agreeing to back Specter. Why didn't the RNC support Bill Simon when he had a shot at the governorship, which he lost by only a small margin even though he got no funding? What about Brett Schundler?

In other words, RINOs have a place in the cracks and crevices of the party, but we don't need them coming along with their big tent and trying to impose it nation-wide. That is a losing game, and it really infuriates the base.


10 posted on 01/31/2005 5:55:03 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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As much as I hate to say it, and I know this is not a popular view here, but I think that within the next 25 to 50 years the GOP will be the liberal party in this country. Ideologically, we are basically where the Democrats were in the 50's and early 60's (JFK, Scoop Jackson, etc.), and we are moving toward the left. There has not been one major proposal made by a GOP senator or congressman since Reagan that proposed shrinking the size of government (hopefully, Social Security reform and the fair tax will change that).

I think in the coming decades, the 'Rats will join the Greens, and become an insignificant ultra-leftist fringe group and the GOP will be centrist to liberal.

People like us will go in two directions. Some of us will become Libertarians and many more will be part of an emerging strict-constructionist Conservative party.

11 posted on 01/31/2005 6:11:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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I forsee a similar future. I think the Democrat party is effectively dead already. I don't see any way they adopt any sort of sensible politics without alienating large parts of their already-fractious coalition. I don't see any way to reconcile the anti-war cowards with Zell Miller Democrats (or even Joe Lieberman Democrats); I don't see any way to reconcile religious blacks with the militant homosexual agenda. The Democrat party is doomed, their time is clearly past with all their major policies proven failures.

Which leaves the GOP sitting pretty for a while. Naturally it will continue to move left, as being in control of the government provides the GOP with an incentive to increase the power of the government. The Libertarians won't be the alternatve that arises; they're too filled with kooks, crazies, implacable idealists, and nihilists. Some form of Constitutional constructionists or taxpayers' party seems to be the most likely to arise as a second national party.


12 posted on 01/31/2005 6:25:50 PM PST by thoughtomator (How do you say Berkeley California in Aramaic?)
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It wasn't the moderates who elected, then re-elected, George W. Bush. Nor did they elect a GOP Congress. They are irrelevant in the Republican Party. Kick 'em to the curb!

Actually, it was. It was "conservatives" who sat home in 2000 and, according to Michael Barone, voted in the same numbers in 2004.

13 posted on 01/31/2005 6:29:45 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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I attended a GOP banquet at our state party "convention" this past weekend at which Christine Todd Whitman was the featured speaker. The RINOs in charge of the state party in KS knew they were on the way out (conservatives took back the party:^) so when they were planning the banquet, they scheduled HER just to get to us! The only reason we decided to suffer through her speech was that our excellent, conservative Congressman asked us to be guests at his table. She droned on in a monotone about uniting around our core (her analogy was spinal bones) of common values. But it always seems to be THEIR core of values and not OURS that they want to unite around!

At least the food was good.


14 posted on 01/31/2005 6:32:15 PM PST by Prairie Pubbie (Proud supporter of our awesome US military and their Commander in Chief!)
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BIG BUMP!!!


15 posted on 01/31/2005 6:36:56 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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.... and bookmarked.


16 posted on 01/31/2005 6:37:32 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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Are Republicans that support the rebuilding of Iraq moderates or are they liberals?


17 posted on 01/31/2005 6:37:44 PM PST by CaptainAwesome2
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I think it should be e-mailed to every Republican in Congress.


18 posted on 01/31/2005 6:38:21 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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There has been a conservative and a liberal wing of the Republican Party since the 1870's. It has always been a struggle for control by the opposing forces. If you read the history of the Republican Party it's interesting to see that, for the most part, we were in the majority and wielded the power when controlled by the conservative wing. When the party was controlled by the liberal wing we never were able to gain majority status. If we don't learn from this we are doomed to repeat our past failures.


19 posted on 01/31/2005 6:49:40 PM PST by Russ
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Bush has been stronger on social conservative issues than fiscal conservative issues, I grant you.

What I have particularly noticed, in line with what you say, is that segments of society that used to be conservative are now liberal. I think especially of the privileged classes and old money families of the two coasts. People with ancestors who came over on the Mayflower, people who used to run the country.

The families who sent their kids to prep school when I was a boy were almost all conservative, and so were most of the older families, although I knew a few flaming liberals even back then (I'd better not name them). But now, almost all the old blood and old money came out for kerry in the last election. The people who supported Bush were just ordinary folks without those elitist pretentions.

In a way, that's hopeful. The Republicans used to be the party of the rich and powerful, the country clubbers, and the Democrats still pretend that about them in their propaganda, but it's no longer true. The Democrats are now the party of privilege, with their welfare dependent servants; the Republicans are increasingly the party of ordinary people who raise families and work for a living.


20 posted on 01/31/2005 7:07:57 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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