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Louisiana, 12 Other States Agree to Raise High School Standards
Baton Rouge, LA, Morning Advocate ^ | 02-28-05 | Feller, Ben, AP Education Writer

Posted on 02/28/2005 3:51:30 AM PST by Theodore R.

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To: Smartaleck

If it doesn't matter where the kid learns (a school where the teacher doesn't teach) or a homeschool where a parent makes sure the work is done, why not just ditch the public school and save the taxpayers some money?


41 posted on 02/28/2005 8:36:36 AM PST by ladylib
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To: OldFriend

Here in Chicago, several teachers and admins were caught encouraging, and in some cases teaching how to cheat....

....thats how it works, its easier to teach someone how to cheat, than it is to teach them the curriculum.

Those few that were caught, I'm sure were just the tip of the iceberg.

The NCLB was watered down so much by the unions, but it still riles the educators to no extend. The horror of being held accountable...


42 posted on 02/28/2005 8:47:57 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: mommadooo3

It CAN be corrected by conventional means.

You are right. I should not have used the word "conventional." What I meant was "politically correct." And education is the most "politically correct" of all the occupations. Common sense could correct the problems, and it would cost the taxpayers much less than they now pay. The problem: taxpayers keep saying they are "willing" to "pay more" to get "better" schools. They cannot learn!


43 posted on 02/28/2005 10:00:29 AM PST by Theodore R. (Terri has already outlived Eleanor Centzone.)
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To: esoxmagnum
NY Bd of Ed insisted they were going to stick with Whole Language....totally failed but they didn't care.

Government told them they would not get a dime if they did not teach phonics.

They reluctantly agreed but somehow I doubt they are honoring their commitment to phonics.

44 posted on 02/28/2005 10:18:56 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: spectrout
Bingo! My daughter got a degree in Early Childhood Education (K - 3rd grade). This degree went from being a 4 year program (when she started) to a 5 year program by the time she was to finish and most of the 5th year was spent taking the same mind-numbed courses she took her first year, i.e. reading children's literature and poster making!

I told her that the existing teacher collaborate with Ed. Schools to slow down graduates so that the existing teachers don't have as much competition.

45 posted on 02/28/2005 10:23:02 AM PST by zerosix
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To: ladylib

"why not just ditch the public school and save the taxpayers some money?"

How many homeschoolers do you need to come up with?


46 posted on 02/28/2005 10:56:58 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck
how are these under educated parents going to homeschool?

I've seen first hand, how 'under educated'/'weak in certain subjects' parents, are STILL able to do well at homeschooling. HOW? Because, as they are trying to help their child learn, they are learning right along WITH them.

47 posted on 02/28/2005 11:07:44 AM PST by mommadooo3
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To: Smartaleck

Check out the third paragraph from the bottom of this article:

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=16300


48 posted on 02/28/2005 11:15:00 AM PST by ladylib
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To: mommadooo3

The fact is, one does not need to be an expert in a particular subject in order to teach it, and god knows I have seen numerous public school teachers who were anything BUT experts in the subject they teach.

All that is necessary for a parent to teach the child, even in a subject the parent knows NOTHING about, is a willingness, when encountering something you do not know about, to say to the child "Well, lets go find out" and head to the library. At the worst, it is no different than public school teachers today, who do not teach and simply pass out assignments. I have had such teachers tell me that it is not necessary to teach a kid, only to guide them in the right direction, spark their interest, and they will learn it themselves. Now I do not fully adhere to that idea, but if parents do it, the results can not possibly be any worse than when the teachers are doing it.


49 posted on 02/28/2005 11:52:38 AM PST by WindOracle
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To: Theodore R.
"This is the biggest step states can take to restore the value of the high school diploma," said Republican Gov. Bob Taft of Ohio

something damn sure needs to. A high school diploma is virtually worthless today. When can you remember the last time an employer asked to see your diploma or contacted your high school for your transcripts? The ONLY two times in my life when I had to present them was when I entered the military, and when I entered college. Beyond that, nearly nobody with a high school diploma is occupying a job that a high school drop-out could not have acquired.

50 posted on 02/28/2005 12:04:42 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: Smartaleck

See my post above about uneducated parents. As I stated above, where there's a will, there's a way.

And ditto about homeschooling cirricula. There used to be only Calvert, which is still good AFAIK, and there are many others.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to teach a kid the basics. It primarily takes a motivated and interested parent or tutor. If you like the kid, are interested in the subject matter, and have an abiding interest in the child's welfare, everything will work. Single parents are the ones who have great difficulty. But even then they could get together and do it at different times.


51 posted on 02/28/2005 12:43:57 PM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: mommadooo3
"I've seen first hand, how 'under educated'/'weak in certain subjects' parents, are STILL able to do well at homeschooling. HOW? Because, as they are trying to help their child learn, they are learning right along WITH them."




That's an interesting theory. My own fear for homeschooling my children derives from how uncharacteristically horrible I am at mathematics. When it came to trigonometry and calculus I needed to be tutored through, and had to be coached well in advance of my ACT/SAT's. Most of that coaching has been forgotten, so I fear that I would be doing my kids a disservice in that area. But then again, what disservice is being done to them in the PS.

Anyways, thats been my number one reason for pulling my kids, was the fear that I would be short-changing them in that area.

Someone told me once (not on FR) that there are groups and organized sessions to help in those areas that you lack, but I was never able to find any specific information for my area.

But, I guess you are right, I could re-learn it right along with them, makes sense.
52 posted on 02/28/2005 1:30:43 PM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: esoxmagnum
Another solution is one I have seen homeschooling parents in this area do. A number of them formed a group, and organized it so that two or three of the parents who did not happen to work, switch off teaching the kids as a small group. This allows them to teach the kids in areas that they are strong, and let other parents whose strengths are in other areas teach those subjects.

this also works great because SOME of the parents are not able to devote a lot of time to educating their kids, and this reduces the burden on any particular parents. It also allows for more social development, with kids of different ages, and not with those of their own age almost exclusively, which reduces peer dependency.
53 posted on 02/28/2005 1:47:10 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: mommadooo3

Great, more power to them.

How many we going to need? I know of one girl who tried it. Her mom was a drunk that made her take care of the kids. Some mothers have to work and can't be home.

Do they have homeschooling materials for parents who don't speak English?


54 posted on 02/28/2005 2:33:50 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: ladylib

Here's a stat too. I doubt they're all independently wealthy. Who will educate them?

20 million of all children in the US under 18 live with one parent.


55 posted on 02/28/2005 2:40:10 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: little jeremiah

What part of what you say is not equally true of a kid in public school?


56 posted on 02/28/2005 2:42:30 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck

Have you not educated yourself about what goes on in public schools?

How old are you, and do you have any children?


57 posted on 02/28/2005 2:48:37 PM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Smartaleck

Just checked - you've been on FR since '98. Long enough to have educated yourself about what goes on in public schools.

I guess the only reason would be that you of approve the indoctrination hellholes schools have become. Although I hope you don't.


58 posted on 02/28/2005 2:50:15 PM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Smartaleck

Why are you so opposed to homeschooling? You think the public schools are doing a bangup job indoctrinating kids into revisionist history, condom wear, gay, lesbian and
"questioning" issues and techniques, abortions without parental notification or consent, leftist and feminist philosophy, or what?

Just wondering.


59 posted on 02/28/2005 2:54:12 PM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: esoxmagnum
You CAN teach your kids in subjects that you are 'weak' in!!! Most homeschool curriculums are set up so that they go step by step. ('line upon line, precept upon precept') There are many 'internet homeschool' sites that will guide the student step by step and explain things very clearly. There are many textbooks that lay things out in simple terms.(of course, ya have to check the copyright dates...make sure they're 'OLD')

Ask at your local library for the homeschool associations in your area. IF they look at ya weird, or say there's no such thing, you are ALREADY at the place to help you in your weak areas.....FREE REPUBLIC. FReepers are able to advise, suggest, and guide.

60 posted on 02/28/2005 4:51:22 PM PST by mommadooo3
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