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Teaching Darwin
Weekly Standars ^ | March 21, 2005 | Paul McHugh

Posted on 03/22/2005 6:56:35 AM PST by metacognative

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To: curiosity

Aren't you curious? The thought is that modern science has not borne out the established darwinian hypotheses. It is worse than useless, it is wrong...except for limited selection effects that remove information from the gene pool.


21 posted on 03/22/2005 8:00:32 AM PST by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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To: munchtipq
So you've kept at least one person from generalizing Creationism/ID to all conservatives ...

That's what we're here for. If this stuff ever gets elevated to being a principal component of conservatism, all we've worked since the days of Barry Goldwater will go down the drain, and what ought to be a coming generation of Republican government will get washed away in a gale of ridicule.

If the choice in future elections is between a socialist dem party and a creationist republican party, it's all over.

22 posted on 03/22/2005 8:01:46 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: GreenFreeper
You don't need a sticker in a text book to explain the process of science- any self-respecting professor will do so.

Except that it is mentioned as fact, not theory, in every cartoon and Tv show out there. You trust the publick screwels to present the process of scientific analysis correctly? Why, teaching kids to reason would undermine their socialist agenda. How can Publick screwels be right in evolution but wrong in all their other agendas? (2+2 = 5, ok if that's the answer that makes you feel good...)

23 posted on 03/22/2005 8:03:14 AM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Terriergal

Good points. I don't think the Old Time Darwin Believers know that Ontogeny no longer recapitulates Phylogeny. [sp?]


24 posted on 03/22/2005 8:03:37 AM PST by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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To: GreenFreeper
"evolution is a theory not a fact" must be removed from Georgia high school biology texts because it contradicts orthodox science

You don't need a sticker in a text book to explain the process of science- any self-respecting professor will do so.

By the way, that was NOT the argument as you can read. They argued that it CONTRADICTS orthodox science, not that it is redundant.

25 posted on 03/22/2005 8:04:38 AM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Terriergal

Madame, within a half dozen posts the old "evolution is a religion canard" rose like an evil zombie on this very thread. People who make such claims have absolutely no clue as to what they speak to. However, they feel perfectly free to comment even through their ignorance. These are the actions of Luddites.


26 posted on 03/22/2005 8:05:09 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Terriergal
e.g. Evolution never throws out a good thing once it's developed. So we're supposed to believe us losing our 'fur coats' is a good thing? Our ability to move swiftly with the agility of an animal? How come there are SO many animals that have these 'good handy developments' that they lost? If you say "they lost it because they developed something better" then how come WE lost all those good things just because we developed intelligence? Surely a fur covering and agility/precociousness doesn't interfere with that?

You have to keep things in evolutionary perspective. Homo spp. are believed to have originated to a warm climate. There would be no need for "fur covering". Any adpatation that requires energy input (as in fur) that did not provide a selective advantage, could easily be lost.

In addition they used the 'fetal development' stuff that has been disproved as a hoax as evidence. They're STILL using that idea!

Not true. Current biology text books do not use Haeckle's embryo's. The theory has been refined and modified, no mention of gill slits.

If evolution is true, then by the same standards, so is global warming, and we'd better see these conservative evolutionists capitulating to those who would have us forfeit our freedom in order to save the environment.

No idea where you are going here. Science is the process of examining evidence. I see evidence everywhere of evolution. I see little evidence of human induced global warming.

27 posted on 03/22/2005 8:07:28 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: Junior

"Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion—a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. . . . Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today."

Michael Ruse, darwinist philosopher


28 posted on 03/22/2005 8:08:46 AM PST by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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To: metacognative
The thought is that modern science has not borne out the established darwinian hypotheses.

Anyone who has examined the evidence modern science provides knows this thought is wrong. Be curious, examine the evidence for yourself.

As regards to the above artcile, there's a whole host of errors regarding the evidence for evolution. The author either has not examined the evidence, or is being dishonest. For instance, he asserts the generation of a new species has never been observed. In fact it has been observed in real time in nature as well as induced in the laboratory.

29 posted on 03/22/2005 8:10:32 AM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

I must have missed something. Where is the observed new species? Besides a different shade of bacteria?


30 posted on 03/22/2005 8:12:13 AM PST by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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To: metacognative

I have quotes from Adolph Hitler saying he's doing God's work. Only a creationist thinks quoting is a trump card. Scientists look to the evidence, philosophy be damned.


31 posted on 03/22/2005 8:12:55 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Terriergal
Except that it is mentioned as fact, not theory, in every cartoon and Tv show out there.

Well what can I say...scientific literature is very careful in using the word fact. Like I said facts are limited to a defined scale. A fact must come from direct observation or experimentation. How can hold science responsible for pop cultures interpretation of the theory? Will a sticker change any of that? NO.

32 posted on 03/22/2005 8:13:06 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: PatrickHenry
If the choice in future elections is between a socialist dem party and a creationist republican party, it's all over.

Creationism is socialism. ID is the analog to the planned economy: natural selection is the analog to the invisible hand.

33 posted on 03/22/2005 8:13:44 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Intelligent design is the planned economy: natural selection is the free market)
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To: GreenFreeper
Will a sticker change any of that? NO.

So why the fear of it? And why the contradictory rationale behind removing it?

34 posted on 03/22/2005 8:14:20 AM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: GreenFreeper
No idea where you are going here. Science is the process of examining evidence. I see evidence everywhere of evolution. I see little evidence of human induced global warming.

Well that's so special. I don't see evidence anywhere of evolution, nor global warming. IN fact I see evidence everywhere of design. So why is it that some people look at the same thing and come to different conclusions AT ALL LEVELS OF EDUCATION?

35 posted on 03/22/2005 8:15:43 AM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Junior

Let's see the "God's work" quote. I have a little fun time today.


36 posted on 03/22/2005 8:19:39 AM PST by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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To: Terriergal
So we're supposed to believe us losing our 'fur coats' is a good thing?

Sure. Our ancestors evolved on the hot savannah. Lack of fur helped keep them cool. Keep in mind, our ability to regulate our body heat makes humans one of the best long distance runners of any species out there.

Our ability to move swiftly with the agility of an animal?

We never really evolved in that direction. We evolved intelligence which has turned out to be a much better adaptation. Moving swiftly? That takes walking on all fours, which would have been a serious problem when it came to tool-using.

37 posted on 03/22/2005 8:20:46 AM PST by Modernman ("They're not people, they're hippies!"- Cartman)
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To: Terriergal
So why the fear of it? And why the contradictory rationale behind removing it?

Personally I could care less if there is a sticker or not- makes no difference to me. I just find it redundant. Why place special emphasis on evolution? There are many biological thoeries that are just theories? We would need a whole book just to fit all the stickers. Biology and the process of science attempts to eliminate biases and placing special emphasis on evolution is just plain silly. Just because evolution is controversial doesn't mean it should be held under any more or less scientific scrutiny.

38 posted on 03/22/2005 8:21:39 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: Oztrich Boy
Creationism is socialism. ID is the analog to the planned economy: natural selection is the analog to the invisible hand.

Quite so. Darwin's Influence on Ruthless Laissez Faire Capitalism. The Institute for Creation "Research" even has an article posted on this. But we still see wild claims that Darwin is responsible for communism.

39 posted on 03/22/2005 8:21:44 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Modernman
We never really evolved in that direction

OOOOH so we were naked and slow and helpless and STUPID and STILL managed to survive? Wow that's amazing! Evolution really IS magical!

40 posted on 03/22/2005 8:22:31 AM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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