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Michigan: States hunt down online cigarette buyers
stateline.org ^ | 5-3-05 | Kathleen Hunter

Posted on 05/05/2005 6:20:00 AM PDT by SheLion

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I guess the other states are waiting for New Jersey to take the lead in this.

Or California!



21 posted on 05/05/2005 6:42:14 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: daddyOwe
"Stevie Ray Vaughns song the taxman is so true. Find it listen to it. Its good. " That would be a cover of The Beatles "Taxman" penned by the late George Harrison
22 posted on 05/05/2005 6:43:31 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An Armed Society is a Polite Society" Heinlein)
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To: SheLion
The law is simple.

Our company does online transactions all the time.

We only charge sales tax for states where we have employees.

We have four regional sales reps, Illinois, California, Georgia, and Massachusetts so we are required to charge and collect sales tax in those states.
23 posted on 05/05/2005 6:44:51 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: SheLion

The State Legislature in TX is apparently voting to start charging $6.00 more a carton in Taxes on Cigarettes. Also, they are voting on raising Taxes on alcohol.

When everyone is forced to quit drinking, and smoking, I'm not sure how they plan to get money from Texans..oh, yes, toll roads.

Texas is starting to resemble an East Coast State these days.


24 posted on 05/05/2005 6:47:25 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Corin Stormhands

I am uncomfortable with the idea that the VA Attorney General's office is acting as a snitch to assist other states confiscatory tax policies...........and I would feel the same way if it were done on any product.


25 posted on 05/05/2005 6:50:53 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: SheLion

I notice thta the map does note that VA will change from green to yellow when our tax goes to 30 cents July 1.

Cigarette taxes were not the only taxes to be increased needlessly last year in VA....but they are the ONLY one where there is no discussion of a cut.

The same is true in Delaware and they are talking about raising the tax again.


26 posted on 05/05/2005 6:56:16 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: TomGuy
For example, mail order JCPenny could charge taxes on an order if they had at least one JCPenny retail store in that state. Otherwise, they (and the purchaser) could avoid paying state tax where the purchaser lived if JCPenny had no retail outlet in the purchaser's state.

Oh! Ok. We do have several in this state. Thanks for clarifying that for me Tom!

27 posted on 05/05/2005 6:57:05 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
The issue has caught officials' attention because in a growing number of cases, states are relying on revenue generated by smokers to balance their budgets.

It's only good (to the state) because they have a demonized segment of society to pick on.
If they do this on cigarettes they should be made to do it on ALL online purchases.

28 posted on 05/05/2005 6:57:55 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Monthly donors make better lovers. Ask my wife.)
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try doing this with beer tax, then we’ll see the fur fly!

They are!

Maine :Tax panel awash in plans

The proposal also would boost levies on beer, wine, cigarettes, bar drinks, prepared meals and lodging.

Other lawmakers have also put forth proposals focusing on the sales tax and on so-called sin taxes.

29 posted on 05/05/2005 7:00:50 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

I don't buy any cigarettes in the US anymore because of this problem. Just use the internet and buy from another country where these tax hogs are not privey to your personal information. They will ship right to your door. Cheaper too!!!!


30 posted on 05/05/2005 7:06:03 AM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Our company does online transactions all the time.

We only charge sales tax for states where we have employees.

Thank you!  TomGuy clarified this as well in his above post.  Thanks so much!

31 posted on 05/05/2005 7:07:15 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Gabz
The same is true in Delaware and they are talking about raising the tax again.

So is Maine.  Makes you wonder what the hell they are doing with the billions being fed into the states by the smoker's already, eh?

This is ridiculous.

Find out what the smoker's contribute already in your state.  And the lawmakers want MORE?  Can we say GLUTTONS?

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32 posted on 05/05/2005 7:10:04 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
Does anyone know if this tax applies to cigarettes purchased on-line from Indian reservations or Indian tribes?
33 posted on 05/05/2005 7:13:06 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: Just another Joe
It's only good (to the state) because they have a demonized segment of society to pick on.
If they do this on cigarettes they should be made to do it on ALL online purchases.

Exactly Joe.

And what about all the basing and trashing and control, restrictions and bans the state is putting on smokers, telling us that we have to quit.

But!  They can't balance their budgets without our tax dollars.  Does anyone see the irony in this? What is it? Ban smokers or spend our tax dollars?  They can't have both!



34 posted on 05/05/2005 7:14:41 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

As Michigan racks up award after award as the worst state in the union to live and work, leave it to the nanny state clods to charge into a breach and throw a bomb to make the state more miserable.

The anti-smoking nazis infesting Lansing want to charge people with crimes for puffing in bars, restaurants and workplaces.

We should not be surprised that these Marxist thieves are breaking and entering into private property called bars, restaurants and businesses to impose fascist state control. After all, a diversion is needed to take attention away from the highest unemployment rate in the nation and businesses running as fast as they can away from Michigan’s high taxes and onerous regulations.

Fixing these problems would require skill, courage and acumen on the part of the clucking political class. Instead we get balloon popping clowns playing political skullduggery.

As a state sinks down into incompetence and impotency to properly manage a society of free individuals, we get a diversionary circus of punishing property owners for legally using their property.

We still wait for the anti-smoking nazis to produce a death certificate that states: “Died from second-hand smoke.”

In the meantime, enjoy your burgers and beer. They’re next.


35 posted on 05/05/2005 7:16:47 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SheLion

Fact of the matter our country and Govt is broke and will confiscate money any way they while proclaiming it is for the good of the people. First they target a minority user group. Get their product labeled a syn product and then they can levy excess syn taxes without too much protest. Soon they will come up with the idea that we should be taxed 100% since its the states money and you will be returned enough to live on according to your contribution to society.


36 posted on 05/05/2005 7:23:36 AM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Old North State
Does anyone know if this tax applies to cigarettes purchased on-line from Indian reservations or Indian tribes?

I have no idea. The Reservations haven't been mentioned too much yet. 

New York: Indians' cigarette, gas sales targeted, Pataki tax proposal would be 'about-face'

And what about all the illegal drugs one can purchase online? I get countless emails from drug company's selling Valium, Zanex, etc. You mean to tell me that THEY can continue selling their drugs online? What about the kiddies with THIS?
If this is about the KIDS, and if they truly believe that KIDS can order tobacco products off of the Net, what about these prescription drugs? I guess they don't care about that, do they!

37 posted on 05/05/2005 7:24:57 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: sergeantdave
We should not be surprised that these Marxist thieves are breaking and entering into private property called bars, restaurants and businesses to impose fascist state control. After all, a diversion is needed to take attention away from the highest unemployment rate in the nation and businesses running as fast as they can away from Michigan’s high taxes and onerous regulations.

Maine is the very same way.

In the meantime, enjoy your burgers and beer. They’re next.

They are next!  Maine wants to raise taxes on beer and liquor as well.

38 posted on 05/05/2005 7:26:55 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

Only because they're not familiar with the financial provisions of the PA and it requires the fedz to cooperate. They'll get to it and it's much more convenient to use the provisions of the PA than issue subpeonas for customer records.


39 posted on 05/05/2005 7:27:49 AM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: Corin Stormhands
First I've heard about it, but if they violate existing laws...

They better do it in a way that they don't get caught. I don't care if I have to deal with Osama himself, if the govt is going to be this fubar about it I'll go on the black market.

40 posted on 05/05/2005 7:31:31 AM PDT by johnb838 (Free Republicans... To Arms!)
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