Posted on 05/27/2005 2:10:39 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
I have to wonder though, if this isn't part of the problem with the western world not producing at even CLOSE to replacement rate though.
Reminds me of an old saw - during the first five years of marriage, each time you have sex, put a bean in a jar. From then on, take a bean out of the jar for each time. You will never empty the jar.
Then I guess it works.
There are natural, dietary-related ways to normalize irregular cycles. Marilyn Shannon has written a lot about it, especially inher book, Fertility, Cycles, and Nutrition. You can find out at:
www.bygpub.com/natural/natural-family-planning.htm
and
www.revolutionoflove.com/soapbox/nfp/nfp.htm
and
www.catholicmom.com/nfpresources.htm
Is this responsible for the three types of sex in a relationship ? Car sex, bedroom sex, and hall sex.
First you have sex in the car.
Then you get married and have sex in the bedroom.
After a while you just say F#&* YOU! to each other when you pass in the hall.........
This is true. I don't believe the "forever" part but the Pill does drastically reduce libido .... which is part of its effectiveness I imagine.
That's a pretty ugly picture you paint there, brother. And yet I must say there's some truth to it.
I think that self-serving sex always ends in contempt. One partner (I hate that Planned Parenthood term, "partner," but there you have it) --- one partner or the other, or both, end up feeling they've used the other one, or been used by the other one. On the part of the "user," this starts to build up feelings of guilt, and then (when you turn the guilt off) cynicism and callousness; and on the part of the "used one," shame, and then (when you turn the shame off) anger hot or cold.
The "Playboy Philosophy" is the manifesto and ideology of self-serving sex; contraception is the paraphernalia.
It does not feel good for long. After awhile it feels bad. Or people's hearts turn numb. They really don't feel that much at all.
Looks like hormone-based oral contraceptives just push that right along: depression and a plunge in libido. And wasn't sex supposed to be good?
The couples I know ---- those I know well enough to know such an intimate thing about them --- who have been married for years and who still have that sweetness, that satisfaction, even that *spark*, are people who see a spiritual dimension in spousal love, who are genuinely self-giving rather than self-serving, who try to respond to each other generously (and they respond generously to the babies as they come, too) ---
Yes, I know married couples like that. They are precious. And they are happy.
Is it possible that God is right about sex?
Bingo.
In The Decline of Males, Lionel Tiger discusses various studies (some of which he did) on the effect of the Pill on male libido. In brief, the argument is that since the Pill imitates pregnancy, it changes the production of pheromones and so on by women, which makes them less attractive to men. He suggests that the increase in the wearing of revealing clothing and explicitly alluring behavior in the last part of the 20th century was a compensation for this chemically-induced decrease in natural "sexiness."
I thought this thread was going to be about wearing overshoes.
Here's the relevant portion from Psychology Today
(http://cms.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-1174.html):
The Swiss researchers found that women taking oral contraceptives (which block conception by tricking the body into thinking it's pregnant) reported reversed preferences, liking more the smells that reminded them of home and kin. Since the Pill reverses natural preferences, a woman may feel attracted to men she wouldn't normally notice if she were not on birth control--men who have similar MHC profiles.
The effects of such evolutionary novel mate choices can go well beyond the bewilderment of a wife who stops taking her contraceptive pills and notices her husband's "newly" foul body odor. Couples experiencing difficulty conceiving a child--even after several attempts at tubal embryo transfer--share significantly more of their MHC than do couples who conceive more easily. These couples' grief is not caused by either partner's infertility, but to an unfortunate combination of otherwise viable genes.
Doctors have known since the mid-1980s that couples suffering repeated spontaneous abortions tend to share more of their MHC than couples for whom pregnancies are carried to term. And even when MHC-similar couples do successfully bring a pregnancy to term, their babies are often underweight.
The Swiss team believes that MHC-related pregnancy problems in humans are too widespread to be due to inbreeding alone. They argue that in-couple infertility problems are due to strategic, unconscious "decisions" made by women bodies to curtail investment in offspring with inferior immune systems--offspring unlikely to have survived to adulthood in the environments of our evolutionary past.
(There are also studies that show that women on the Pill put out less pheromones then women who aren't, and so may be less attractive)
Pope Benedict has caused great controversy in the Church by approving a contraceptive.
It's called
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Noassatall.
I hear the best remedy for lack of sexual desire is a wonderful, caring partner who takes an interest in you as a person and not as a sex doll to use once, roll over and fall asleep next to.
But, it could just be a rumor...
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What do you gals think?
I agree.
Oh, galosh!
But actually, love is not enough. You have to like the man, as well.
Never understood doing it just for the sake of doing it. Doesn't work for me.
Yes. Yes! Yes!!
But (among other things) having a wife NOT be exposed to contraceptive hormonal sabotage, may really help.
Sounds good to me, but I sorta like the idea of being a caring partner by using my man as a sex doll. I do have a problem with the "once" "roll over and fall asleep" things though.
With all due respect, I don't believe that a woman can enjoy sex if she is worried about getting pregnant.
So, some form of birth control would be mandatory if a couple was to have sex without wanting to recreate at that time.
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