One mean, MF of a dog. ;-)
Posted on 06/16/2005 1:04:48 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel
Nice sentiment. So because you are emotionally drained, you want them home? We all do...when the mission is done. So we've been there a year. Chris' sakes, how many did the U.S. lose in the first day at Normandy? At Iwo Jima? 3 days at Gettysburg?
Perspective, man, perspective.
Another right here. Fully agree with that statement.
I agree
The only reason "democracy" (cause we're not really a democracy) thrived in America is because we had a long standing intellectual tradition brought over from Europe which encouraged these ideas.
The Middle East doesn't have it, you're talking about a place that has always known absolute rule. You can't go into a place with a history like that, and expect elective government to thrive. You have to acclamate their culture for such a thing, and that would take at the very least, a century.
How long was it from the Magna Carta to the Declaration of Independece?
Our best motto is the motto we had during the cold war...
He may be a ...... But he's our......
One mean, MF of a dog. ;-)
Are you insane?
NYT Puts Abu Ghraib on Front Page for 34 of 37 Days, 6-15-2005
32 successive New York Times front page articles on Abu Ghraib. Since May 1 the New York Times has had a front page article every day, until today.
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April 29: TREATMENT OF PRISONERS; G.I.'s Are Accused of Abusing Iraqi Captives
May 1: CAPTIVES; Bush Voices 'Disgust' at Abuse of Iraqi Prisoners
May 2: DETAINEES; OFFICER SUGGESTS IRAQI JAIL ABUSE WAS ENCOURAGED
May 3: PRISONERS; COMMAND ERRORS AIDED IRAQ ABUSE, ARMY HAS FOUND
May 4: PUNISHMENT; ARMY PUNISHES 7 WITH REPRIMANDS FOR PRISON ABUSE
May 5: INMATE; Iraqi Recounts Hours of Abuse By U.S. Troops
May 6: THE PRISON GUARDS; Abuse Charges Bring Anguish In Unit's Home
May 7: THE SOLDIER; From Picture of Pride to Symbol of Abuse
May 8: COMBAT; G.I.'S KILL SCORES OF MILITIA FORCES IN 3 IRAQI CITIES
[NOTE: Abu Ghraib mentioned in first paragraph ]
May 9: THE MILITARY; In Abuse, a Portrayal of Ill-Prepared, Overwhelmed G.I.'s
May 10: PROSECUTION; FIRST TRIAL SET TO BEGIN MAY 19 IN ABUSE IN IRAQ
May 11: THE REPORT; Head of Inquiry On Iraq Abuses Now in Spotlight
May 12: Afghan Gives Own Account Of U.S. Abuse
May 13: PRISON POLICIES; General Took Guantánamo Rules To Iraq for Handling of Prisoners
May 14: THE WHISTLE-BLOWER; Accused Soldier Paints Scene of Eager Mayhem
May 15: MISTREATMENT; Earlier Jail Seen as Incubator for Abuses in Iraq
May 16: THE COURTS-MARTIAL; ACCUSED G.I.'S TRY TO SHIFT BLAME IN PRISON ABUSE
May 17: PRISONERS; SOME IRAQIS HELD OUTSIDE CONTROL OF TOP GENERAL
May 18: INTERROGATIONS; M.P.'s Received Orders to Strip Iraqi Detainees
May 19: ABU GHRAIB; Officer Says Army Tried to Curb Red Cross Visits to Prison in Iraq
May 20: THE COURT-MARTIAL; G.I. PLEADS GUILTY IN COURT-MARTIAL FOR IRAQIS' ABUSE
May 21: THE INTERROGATORS; Afghan Policies On Questioning Landed in Iraq
May 22: THE WITNESSES; Only a Few Spoke Up on Abuse As Many Soldiers Stayed Silent
May 23: SUSPECT; Translator Questioned By Army In Iraq Abuse [Page 12]
May 24: ABUSE; Afghan Deaths Linked to Unit At Iraq Prison
May 25: ARMY SHIFTS; No. 2 Army General to Move In As Top U.S. Commander in Iraq
May 26: INVESTIGATION; ABUSE OF CAPTIVES MORE WIDESPREAD, SAYS ARMY SURVEY
May 27: Three Accused Soldiers Had Records of Unruliness That Went Unpunished
May 28: U.S. Releases More Prisoners From Abu Ghraib
May 29: Cuba Base Sent Its Interrogators to Iraqi Prison
May 30:Scant Evidence Cited in Long Detention of Iraqis
May 31: Army Is Investigating Reports of Assaults and Thefts by G.I.'s Against Iraqi Civilians
[NYT Memorial Day Special]
June 1: Searing Uncertainty for Iraqis Missing Loved Ones
June 2: Afghan Prison Review
[Not on Front Page!]
Might want to change that to the former Soviet Union, but what the hell do I know.
Ah! A favorite poem of mine since childhood. Interesting that you highlighted the only passage I can quote from memory, lol!
withdraw all US troops from everywhere, let humanity go to hell and when the world comes knocking, we can send them to the fire & brimstone place with our nukes!
?sounds like you've got quite a plan there!
Some very smart American once warned the Republic about "foreign entanglements".
Pretty good advice, I'd say.
The job is being done-- although, maybe not fast enough for the MTV/video game generation. These people are getting off their asses, in the face of very dangerous opposition.
Set your way-back machine for 1945. How long was it before Germany or Japan was stable? I'm not talking about our cold war presence, I'm talking about immediately post-WWII.
Setting an overall deadline is counter-productive. It simply means that the bad guys will wait you out. It also means that, if you miss the deadline, the opposition here at home will hammer you into the ground.
Little deadlines, sure. Big deadlines, nope.
It still is.
"conservatives used to disdain the notion that the US government should (or could successfully) engage in nation building...and we still do"
Some of us very clearly remember Bush promising to "not be a nation builder" during the infamous "Lockbox debates" of the 2000 election.
Okay, first of all I did a year in Iraq, so you can take that "be a man" bullsh*t and stick it. Everybody's a tough guy on the internet. I've probably swallowed more of my own blood than you have in your whole body and came home alive. So f--- you.
Now, as for the "stop whining" thing. Try being stuck in a combat zone for 2 years (like most National Guard units these days), having some 3 star trying to get authorization to extend you past that for his own career
progression, and then hearing that your government has no end in sight to the deployments.
Are you going to volunteer now? Good. Now shut the f*ck up.
South Korea hasn't been a democracy since the 50's though.
Like Taiwan, it went thru a period where it was ruled by dictators.
Just because we supported a country in the Cold War doesn't mean they were a democracy.
If we had only supported democracies we'd probably still be in the Cold War and on the short end too.
Welcome to Free Republic.
You should march on your local High School and demand they reteach your world history classes. Pay particular attention to the classes in the history of Europe and the Middle East from 500 to present.
This problem in the ME is not a problem the current administration made, but it is one the President is going to begin to solve.
I'd settle in for about 40 years of armed presence in Iraq, and maybe Iran and Lebanon.
You seem to forget that Libya was operating a nuclear research facility and volunteered the same about a year ago. Iran lied about having something similar as recently as 1998.
This is the nature of Islam. They are at your feet or at your throat and there is no in the middle at present. You can site Dubai and Qatar, but all the votes aren't in on those countries yet.
If Iraq was such a waste of time, why was Serbia such a bargain? Where the he** was France, Germany, and Spain while Muslim's were being murdered by the bushel in their own backyard, not 50 years after the holocaust?
We are cleaning up after the 8 year vacation of the previous administration, and the 70 years of appeasement of the inhumanity of Islamic rule in exchange for stability. The policy got us worse than nowhere.
To this day slavery is alive and well in the ME, moreover it is a protected religious practice of Islam, yet no moral outrage from the quivering mass of outrage that is modern liberalism.
If you are going to post here, you are going to have to bring your A game. I don't think ANYONE thought that this was going to be easy in Iraq, and the fact is that we've only lost 1700 people to this point is absolutely stunning. I expected that we'd lose that many soldiers in the first 24 hours of the war.
We've lost more soldiers in training exercises in WWII.
And as for our peaceful Islamic brothers, this is a religion in which one semi-religious sect of Islam slaughtered 20,000 pilgrims on their way to Mecca back in 915 AD to the very last person for nothing more than loot.
Muslims haven't always faced East toward Mecca to pray. When Mohammed was trying to convert the Jewish communities in the region, he had his followers face instead toward the city of Jerusalem in order to entice the Jews to switch. When they wouldn't, he slaughtered 800 of them and abruptly told his followers to pray in the other direction.
That's who we are dealing with.
Isolationism isn't going to cut it. It's not. If it comes to a draft, well, it comes to a draft, but we are a LONG way from being done. Who knows what China is up to? If Iran gets 1 functional nuclear weapon, they have DECLARED their intention of using it on Israel.
As for the borders, I couldn't agree more.
Did somebody hit you in the head with a shovel while you were over there?
You seem to think that Tariq Aziz is dead.
I point the reader to #3,4,7, and 8.
Did we off Tariq Aziz and I just missed it? See #79.
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