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'I've tasted an English breakfast but otherwise I've heard the food is awful'
Guardian (U.K.) ^ | Monday June 27, 2005 | Hsiao-Hung Pai and Jonathan Watts

Posted on 06/26/2005 11:06:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: moatilliatta
Well, fair enough. However, I can hardly ask him, can I? (g!)

So, what does OED say the etymology of the word is?

141 posted on 06/28/2005 11:22:53 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: nickcarraway
Well, the Queen's mother is from a very old Scottish family - the Earls of Strathmore and Barons of Glamis. So QEII is only half German (and VERY German - long after the Hanovers the family kept sending over for German princesses to marry. Even Alix of Denmark was really German.)
142 posted on 06/28/2005 12:34:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: SAJ
LOL! Don't badmouth the Sailor King! I kinda LIKE William IV, too bad he lost the Baby Derby to his younger brother . . .

If you follow the paternal line (which is the English custom), Victoria was still a Hanover as that was her birth family (her dad the Duke of Kent was definitely a Hanover.) I don't think somebody's homepage is a definitive source - wikipedia says contra.

143 posted on 06/28/2005 12:45:14 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: nickcarraway

"But other than that, I've heard that the food in the UK is awful."

Actually, no country does candy like the brits. I hadn't lived until I first tasted a Turkish Delight.

(actually that sounded kinda dirty. But the candy's fantastic.)


144 posted on 06/28/2005 12:48:32 PM PDT by exile (Exile - Helen Thomas tried to lure me into her Gingerbread House.)
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To: JCEccles

What's wrong with kidneys? I love steak and kidney pie, and if I could get a pie made with just stewed kidneys I'd be even happier. To my taste kidneys are much, much better than liver, which I don't like at all. When it comes to organ meats it's all a matter of what you're used to, I guess.


145 posted on 06/28/2005 1:17:57 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: JoeGar
Obviously, you did not get the blood pudding.

Another one! What's wrong with blood pudding? Just the fact that it's made with blood? What do you think that stuff is that oozes out of a rare steak? Cooked up properly it is very crisp on the outside and very black (thus its other name), and very tasty.

146 posted on 06/28/2005 1:21:04 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: nickcarraway
"It looks like a civilised place, with pretty good city planning. But I feel that this is a city without enough life and energy. People are not friendly or warm enough.

Though they've done more to civilize, educate, and heal the world (especially via the Americans) than anyone else--especially the Chinese.
147 posted on 06/28/2005 1:23:45 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: andie74

Just don't ask for Iced tea. I ordered it once, the waitress said, " we do not serve, iced....tea" to which I responded, oh, sorry


148 posted on 06/28/2005 1:26:53 PM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: television is just wrong
My husband wandered back into the kitchen and showed the waiter how to make it.

He's so cute he can do that without offending anybody (just imagine Grizzly Adams on a bad hair day with an engaging smile and twinkling blue eyes).

149 posted on 06/28/2005 6:45:21 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Professional Engineer
WHODATHOUGHTIT!

I'll tell my Bagpipe playing friend..Every year they have a 'Scottish Haggis' Dinner & Ale..he never talks about the food, only the Ale. :D

150 posted on 06/28/2005 6:52:38 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Well, send along your hat size, and I'll see if I can scrounge up a proper Royal Navy cap for you. No charge, of course.

''Sailor King'', bah! A loser and a thoroughly dishonourable person. He kept one mistress for more than 20 years, had X number of children, then ditched her and tried to marry wealth (and failed, btw).

A loser all round. You do know that he was rather uniformly called ''Silly Billy'' by the populace, right? (w!) I'd say the English were damned lucky that he preferred to be on the ocean to infesting London.

As noted, all I said was that there seems to be some disagreement as to which house Victoria ''belonged''. Hanoverian is fine w/me, don't have a dog in the fight, but, by the same lights, Elizabeth might well be termed of the Hanoverian house, too.

I suppose I'll have to apply to the College of Arms for all the straight bumf, but thank you for cutting through a lot of it.

151 posted on 06/28/2005 8:08:40 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: AnAmericanMother

lol, must have been in London, we were in a pub next to the Cantebury Cathedral. She was insulted that I asked.


152 posted on 06/28/2005 9:09:26 PM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: SAJ
So, what does OED say the etymology of the word is?

On the link I posted it says there are a number of competing explanations of the word (some based on acronyms) none of which entirely fits with the evidence, so I'm probably being over-zealous in saying that your great-grandfather's explanation is definitely wrong. It seems a little unlikely to me though.

Anyway, my original reason in bringing it up was to point out that, whatever it's origins, it is a derogatory term, so it's probably not a word you should really be using if you want to avoid giving offence, especially if you're ever in the UK.

Just a friendly word of advice from a native Brit.

153 posted on 06/29/2005 5:16:04 AM PDT by moatilliatta
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To: nickcarraway
I've tasted an English breakfast...

Me, too. Her name was Bridgette. She was far from awful.
154 posted on 06/29/2005 5:18:38 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: SAJ
Ah, come on now, William wasn't that bad. He ended the relationship with Mrs. Jordan not to marry money but to enter the Baby Derby when Princess Charlotte (George IV's daughter) died in childbed. He did give her a pension, so he didn't just ditch her, and he provided for his illegitimate children (IIRC the eldest was created Earl of Munster).

I wouldn't call him a "loser" either - he certainly was a bluff person who didn't stand on ceremony and preferred hob-nobbing with the "lower classes" to doing the royal bit (hence his nickname), but his reign was one of significant reforms (including revising the poor law, the child labor laws, the passage of the Reform Act, and the abolition of slavery). And back in those days, the monarch wasn't merely a figurehead and could affect legislation directly.

Elizabeth can't by any stretch be termed a member of the House of Hanover. Patrilineal descent is the key, as the College of Arms notes. Since Elizabeth was the first female monarch since Victoria, she married out of her house (Windsor) to her husband's (Mountbatten), but the house of her birth remains hers - same as Victoria, who remained a Hanover even though she married into the house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

155 posted on 06/29/2005 5:28:47 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Patrilineal, matrilineal, shmatrilineal.

If Henry Tudor could invent his own church, surely it would be a small matter for the College of Arms to adopt Egyptian succession rules (couldn't resist, sorry...). As noted, I've no dog in the fight, and was broadly teasing about Elizabeth being Hanoverian.

We will have to agree to disagree about the ''quality'' of William IV, though.

:^)

156 posted on 06/29/2005 7:48:31 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: SAJ

Well, frankly, I agree with the Duke of Wellington re the sons of George III -- "the damndest millstones about the neck of any government that can be imagined." Profligacy, betrayal, drunkenness, gluttony, cruelty, debauchery, bigamy, even murder and incest, they were a bad lot all told. Considered in THAT company, ol' Bill wasn't so bad.


157 posted on 06/29/2005 8:00:41 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Rather like putting Marranzano, Luciano, Lucchese, Capone, Moran, Lansky, and Siegel in a room, and then saying Lansky wasn't so bad by comparison...

:^)

158 posted on 06/29/2005 8:05:04 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: SAJ
Well, there ya go!

( . . . can we set that room on fire? Lansky will just have to suck it up and enjoy being collateral damage . . . )

159 posted on 06/29/2005 8:09:20 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Heh, heh, heh....


160 posted on 06/29/2005 8:36:36 AM PDT by SAJ
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