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California Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham will not stand for re-election
News conference, KOGO radio | July 14, 2005

Posted on 07/14/2005 3:08:36 PM PDT by John Jorsett

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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
All I'm pointing out is that there's a double standard.

Sorry. You're right.

That's true. But then Republicans always look differently at corruption inside their own party.

41 posted on 07/14/2005 4:01:30 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
It doesn't surprise me to see Republicans here defend him. After all, he may be a bastard, but he's our bastard.

There's a difference between your thesis, that his corruption negated his heroism and makes him a bastard through and through, and the idea that he has been both a hero and corrupt and while his corruption should be condemned he should not be condemned (whether he's "ours" or not), since doing so would be a denial of his service to our country.

This is consistent with how Democrats are treated: Freepers say over and over and over and over and over, we respect and honor your military service but stridently oppose your corruption and liberalism.

42 posted on 07/14/2005 4:03:28 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: JohnnyZ

Let's keep in mind that he hasn't been convicted (or even formally charged) and that all we have are accounts in the media. Let the investigation do its job and THEN we can condemn him if it's warranted.


43 posted on 07/14/2005 4:05:26 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: JohnnyZ
Legality is not morality.

Still a non-sequitor.

At the time, slavery was legally and morally acceptable according to society's standards of the day. Slavery is now correctly viewed as immoral even though it was legal.

Corruption of an elected official was as unacceptable then as it is now.

How is what he did any different from what Hillary did?

44 posted on 07/14/2005 4:07:32 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: JohnnyZ
There's a difference between your thesis, that his corruption negated his heroism and makes him a bastard through and through, and the idea that he has been both a hero and corrupt and while his corruption should be condemned he should not be condemned (whether he's "ours" or not), since doing so would be a denial of his service to our country.

Bill Clinton served the country as President, just as his wife serves as Senator. If they walked up to you and offered their hand, would you shake it out of respect for their service or walk away because of their corruption?

This is consistent with how Democrats are treated: Freepers say over and over and over and over and over, we respect and honor your military service but stridently oppose your corruption and liberalism.

I supposed you can take this attitude if you want, but the fact that he took the money in the first place shows that he morals probably weren't everything they were cracked up to be.

45 posted on 07/14/2005 4:16:58 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
At the time, slavery was legally and morally acceptable to society's standards of the day.

Abortion is legally and morally acceptable today. It's still murder.

46 posted on 07/14/2005 4:17:04 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
If they walked up to you and offered their hand, would you shake it out of respect for their service or walk away because of their corruption?

I would shake it out of politeness. Heck, I shook Dan Rather's hand at graduation. On second thought, with Bill I would have very real concern about where his hands had been and whether they'd been washed, so I might beg off claiming sickness.

Surely you are not comparing Clinton's service to Cunningham's?!?!?

he morals probably weren't everything they were cracked up to be.

He's honored for being a soldier, not a saint. He mighta hired prostitutes too. So what? It's beside the point.

47 posted on 07/14/2005 4:21:46 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

You're being awfully judgemental for someone you don't even know.


48 posted on 07/14/2005 4:22:05 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: JohnnyZ
Abortion is legally and morally acceptable today. It's still murder.

Only morally acceptible to morally corrupt individuals. Moral people condemn the act as murder and the actor as a murderer, just as they condemn the politician on the take as a crook.

49 posted on 07/14/2005 4:22:13 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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er, "sailor", I guess. Navy pilot. You know what I mean.


50 posted on 07/14/2005 4:23:35 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: JohnnyZ
Surely you are not comparing Clinton's service to Cunningham's?!

The original question was, how is Cunningham's house deal any different from Hillary's cattle futures deal?

I'm still waiting for you, or anyone else to describe the differences.

He's honored for being a soldier, not a saint. He mighta hired prostitutes too. So what? It's beside the point.

So, do we support once-honorable servicemen in office even though they have turned into corrupt politicians?

I say, "No."

What say you?

51 posted on 07/14/2005 4:25:47 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
You specifically referenced "society's standards of the day". A society that condones slavery is wrong, as is a society that condones abortion.

Sorry Ol' Bubba, you made this bed, now lie in it!

52 posted on 07/14/2005 4:27:34 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: JohnnyZ
You specifically referenced "society's standards of the day". A society that condones slavery is wrong, as is a society that condones abortion.

Never said society is always right, so I don't have to lie in anything.

You sure seem to be pulling out all stops to defend Cunningham, though.

Methinks thou dost protest too much.

53 posted on 07/14/2005 4:30:54 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
The original question was, how is Cunningham's house deal any different from Hillary's cattle futures deal?

Don't avoid the subject. The question WE were discussing was YOUR comparison of Bill Clinton's service as president to Cunningham's service in the Navy.

I think everyone's acknowledged that (assuming the charges are accurate, which hardly seems to be debated) Cunningham and Hillary were both corrupt.

So, do we support once-honorable servicemen in office

Everyone on the thread so far has agreed that Cunningham should go: the only debate is now or at the end of his term.

54 posted on 07/14/2005 4:31:04 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Never said society is always right

You said you hold people to the standards of society, not to the standards of right and wrong. Slavery and abortion are both wrong, both have been judged acceptable by society at some point.

55 posted on 07/14/2005 4:33:31 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: JohnnyZ
Don't avoid the subject. The question WE were discussing was YOUR comparison of Bill Clinton's service as president to Cunningham's service in the Navy.

Golly, and I thought I'd almost pulled the wool over your eyes like Cunningham pulled the wool over the eyes of his constituents.

All this time, they thought he honorable and was upholding his oath of office.

Aren't they surprised now?

56 posted on 07/14/2005 4:37:04 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: JohnnyZ
You said you hold people to the standards of society, not to the standards of right and wrong.

I never said anything of the sort and I defy you to prove I did.

57 posted on 07/14/2005 4:38:08 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Give the guy a break. He's an American hero

Being an American hero is the reason he should not be given a break. Why is a break deserved for a hero who breaks a trust given to heros?

58 posted on 07/14/2005 4:46:01 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: JohnnyZ
Don't avoid the subject. The question WE were discussing was YOUR comparison of Bill Clinton's service as president to Cunningham's service in the Navy.

For the record, I never compared Clintons service as President to Cunningham's service in the Navy. Here's what I wrote:

"Bill Clinton served the country as President, just as his wife serves as Senator. If they walked up to you and offered their hand, would you shake it out of respect for their service or walk away because of their corruption?"

Please show my comparison of these two men's service.

Please stop putting words into my mouth.

59 posted on 07/14/2005 4:46:08 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: zbigreddogz

She has diverse experience. Also, having another Hispanic in Congress would generate good press.

Here's her bio:

http://www.dca.ca.gov/aboutdca/director_bio.htm


60 posted on 07/14/2005 4:49:06 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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