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Poll: Public divided on evolution
Miami Herald ^ | 9-1-05 | Will Lester

Posted on 09/01/2005 1:00:04 PM PDT by joyspring777

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To: RadioAstronomer

I would assume yours is educated.

So is mine.

That doesn't settle it.

The fact that is cannot be settled is cause enough for windows and doors of other origin ideas and beliefs to be openly discussed in high schools and colleges without ridicule or sanction.


101 posted on 09/01/2005 4:29:58 PM PDT by joyspring777
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To: joyspring777

bump for later reading


102 posted on 09/01/2005 4:32:25 PM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: joyspring777

Do we teach alternative medicine in biology too?

Some people don't believe bacteria cause disease but instead think that disease attracts bacteria. They say spiritual imbalances cause disease. Some people would be happy to teach this controversy too.


103 posted on 09/01/2005 4:33:37 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: bobdsmith

You know...there is so much to be discussed and debated...once the doors and windows are opened in our public high schools, colleges and universities.


104 posted on 09/01/2005 4:38:25 PM PDT by joyspring777
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To: joyspring777

Giving all ideas equal credibility is a very bad thing.

I can't think of a better way of judging the credibility of an idea than taking the consensus of experts in the relevant field.

If schools give credibility to the idea that the Sun orbits the Earth just because it is a controversial idea that would be a huge educational mistake.


105 posted on 09/01/2005 4:58:23 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: mlc9852
Look wherever you happen to be. You never know what may turn up. I'm always digging around in the yard looking for dinosaur bones. I mean, a lot of dinosaurs lived and died so you just have to be patient. Just because you haven't found anything yet doesn't mean you never will.

Son, you stated you believed dinos were cavorting about with humans. You must have some evidence for this belief. I need some hint as to where I should look. I guarantee if I find and document a true dino skeleton in an excavation of a residential site I'll be quite famous, but looking in parts of four states has so far turned up nothing. I need places to look and approximate time periods. (You find old sites in old dirt, young sites in young dirt, etc.) I need some hints here.

106 posted on 09/01/2005 5:11:24 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: Coyoteman

Good! I vote to make pi 3.0. That's a lot easier to remember.

Lets vote to eliminate Mondays also.

I vote no on the pi thing and yes on the Monday thing.

107 posted on 09/01/2005 5:11:30 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: joyspring777

Americans are divided over whether humans and other living things evolved over time or have existed in their present form since the beginning of time..

Of course these things should be voted on to determine the truth.

Let's look at this more closely.

How many Americans know what "evolved over time" means?

And how many Americans know what "since the beginning of time means'? BTW, I'm not real clear on this myself.

Let's keep in mind here that half of college students had some trouble identifying what century our Civil War was in.

And some other things that are important...the results of another question... Americans are divided on chocolate over vanilla ice cream.

108 posted on 09/01/2005 5:20:31 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: joyspring777
The fact that is cannot be settled

That depends on what the meaning of "is" is. ;^)

is cause enough for windows and doors of other origin ideas and beliefs to be openly discussed in high schools and colleges without ridicule or sanction.

But that argument can be made about anything at all. Would you really want your kids to go to a school where anything and everything goes? There would be no such thing as knowledge in such a school.

109 posted on 09/01/2005 5:26:46 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Coyoteman

Try the area of dinosaurs from about 50,000 years ago. Maybe Arizona or Utah.


110 posted on 09/01/2005 5:31:16 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: joyspring777
another 18 percent of all those polled, said evolution was guided by a supreme being.

I'm not sure how you can hold that position and not believe in a creator.

For them, maybe "supreme" in supreme being doesn't mean powerful but means something different.

111 posted on 09/01/2005 5:34:06 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: mlc9852
Try the area of dinosaurs from about 50,000 years ago. Maybe Arizona or Utah.

Thousands of archaeological excavations, plus hundreds of thousands of other digs (pipelines, foundations, roads, etc.) are done every year in this country. No dinos in late contexts. Sorry. Plenty going back some 160+ million years, but none late, when people were kicking about.

If'n I were you, I wouldn't bet the rent money on this one.

112 posted on 09/01/2005 5:42:18 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: Borges

Whether they use or fund this 'science' or not, is clearly up to them.


113 posted on 09/01/2005 5:44:36 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: Coyoteman

160 million years? You don't still believe in that carbon dating, do you?


114 posted on 09/01/2005 5:47:39 PM PDT by mlc9852
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You don't still believe in that carbon dating, do you?

Carbon dating is good for 50,000 years tops. Lots of good evidence that it works as advertized. With the bristlecone calibration I find it is quite accurate in the last 10-12,000 years. Is that your experience as well?

115 posted on 09/01/2005 5:51:27 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: Coyoteman

I just know what I read. But I doubt anything accurately measures time that far back.


116 posted on 09/01/2005 5:56:00 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Coyoteman

My research stuff is at the office but I'll try to post it to you tomorrow. Right now I'm going back to watch Katrina coverage.


117 posted on 09/01/2005 5:57:35 PM PDT by mlc9852
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I just know what I read. But I doubt anything accurately measures time that far back.

Should be no doubt about it. We can count the individual tree rings in the bristlecone pines, and by matching the ring sequences can extend the series back some 10,000 years. We can then AMS date individual rings or groups of rings (say a 10-year span), and get the measured age. We do this for several thousand samples. We can then construct an accurate dataset for calendar year correction.

Not even rocket science, just basic stuff.

118 posted on 09/01/2005 5:59:57 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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