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With Traffic at a Crawl, Planners Talk of Tunnels
LA Times via Yahoo ^
| Sun Sep 18, 7:55 AM ET
| By Dan Weikel, Jeffrey L. Rabin and Daryl Kelley Times Staff Writers
Posted on 09/19/2005 2:51:05 AM PDT by Simmy2.5
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Although I got this from Yahoo, the story itself came from the LA Times. To be safe, I'm excerpting it.
Woohoo! California could have its very own Big Dig! And not just one either!
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posted on
09/19/2005 2:51:05 AM PDT
by
Simmy2.5
To: Simmy2.5
Oh yeah, that's where I want to be when some 7.5 earthquake comes along - in a 12-mile tunnel.
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posted on
09/19/2005 2:56:31 AM PDT
by
Heatseeker
("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
To: Heatseeker
To: Simmy2.5
Right over each tunnel entrance will be the quote- "Feeling lucky, Punk."
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posted on
09/19/2005 3:11:11 AM PDT
by
KeyWest
To: Heatseeker
exactly the thought that I had. Who, in their right mind even considers building an underground highway along a fault line. Can you imagine the number of deaths that will occur should an earthquake hit during rush hour?
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posted on
09/19/2005 3:34:19 AM PDT
by
N2Gems
To: N2Gems
I hold my breath and pray everytime I drive thru the Caldecott tunnel in SF's Eastbay. It sits right over the Hayward fault.
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posted on
09/19/2005 4:00:51 AM PDT
by
Gaetano
To: Simmy2.5
Driving in L.A. is a nightmare. The exit lanes are not well marked. When you finally reach your exit, you realize that you have to exit left instead of right (or vice versa) and must cross 6 lanes of speeding traffic which is impossible. Then you have to drive to San Diego before you can turn around. By then, you've been routed to Palm Springs. Periodically you exit and ask somebody directions. Nobody knows where anything is. Most of them don't speak English and just arrived from the Island Nation of Zaza or some other place you never heard of. Finally you conclude that you can't get wherever it was you were planning to go; so you just drive out into the desert somewhere, stop the car, and see if you can recover.
On the other hand, I'd hate to be in the tunnels when The Big One hits--or even a Little One.
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posted on
09/19/2005 4:47:49 AM PDT
by
Savage Beast
(Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac.)
To: Gaetano
I hold my breath and pray then too. If you can manage it, the ferry from Vallejo to downtown San Francisco is a nice alternative.
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posted on
09/19/2005 4:49:43 AM PDT
by
Savage Beast
(Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac.)
To: Gaetano
How about the tunnel under the bay that BART takes from Oakland to San Francisco?? Not exactly what I had in my for my burial plot.
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posted on
09/19/2005 5:00:58 AM PDT
by
antiunion person
(President Bush caused the hurricane in order to harm the blacks in the south.)
To: Simmy2.5
And just how many billions did that little tunnel cost? Add in the fact that all that work has to be done in the Peoples Republic of California and you are talking about the GDM of most smaller countries to do this. You could probably build a skyway over the city for the same cost.
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posted on
09/19/2005 5:05:22 AM PDT
by
Abathar
(Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
To: Heatseeker
They won't have to bury the dead.
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posted on
09/19/2005 5:06:33 AM PDT
by
bmwcyle
(We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
To: antiunion person
You've planned your burial plot???
NeverGore :^)
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posted on
09/19/2005 5:07:59 AM PDT
by
nevergore
(“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
To: Simmy2.5
Money grows on trees? I seriously doubt the Feds will hand off 14 billion to Cali the way they did to Boston Massachusetts for the "big dig"
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posted on
09/19/2005 5:11:46 AM PDT
by
dennisw
(If you can serve a cup of tea right, you can do anything. - Gurdjieff)
To: Simmy2.5
Please forgive me for asking such a silly question, but since earthquakes have been known to occur in California from time to time, wouldn't it make more sense to stack the highways above ground rather than dig one below ground?
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posted on
09/19/2005 5:14:48 AM PDT
by
Rose of Sharn
(I get the best answers when i talk to myself!)
To: N2Gems; conservative cat; bmwcyle
I assume they will strengthen any tunnels to attempt to withstand a strong earthquake, which will make the project cost 5 times as much and take 3 times as long to complete.
Then, when they collapse after some 7.5 honker, a study will determine they were built to withstand quakes of up to 7.4. It'll be Bush's fault. The poor and minorities will be disproportionally affected.
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posted on
09/19/2005 5:31:48 AM PDT
by
Heatseeker
("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
To: Heatseeker
Exactly. People think it's dumb to build a city below sea level? Not as dumb as building long tunnels in an earthquake zone.
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posted on
09/19/2005 5:36:44 AM PDT
by
Rocky
(Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
To: Heatseeker
I assume they will strengthen any tunnels to attempt to withstand a strong earthquake, which will make the project cost 5 times as much and take 3 times as long to complete.
Don't count on it. Here, they hire as much uneducated illegal alien help they can get their hands on and pocket as much as they can. This state is a mess. We have 3/4 of all illegal aliens in this country living in Los Angeles. Bernard Parks is pushing that all home improvement centers house an illegal alien day labor camp outside. The Catholic charities of Los Angeles must be growing tired of sustaining them.
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posted on
09/19/2005 5:41:29 AM PDT
by
television is just wrong
(http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
To: Rocky
"Not as dumb as building long tunnels in an earthquake zone..."
I don't exactly think the Japanese are dumb. They built, among others, a 33-mile tunnel, with over 14 miles of it under water.
Link
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posted on
09/19/2005 6:36:54 AM PDT
by
Fudd
(Dirty Sam Blackham - "arrrg, it be talk like a pirate day, matey!")
To: television is just wrong
Well in that case when the tunnels collapse they will probably kill a number of poor Mexican nationals, and thus we will be made to feel obliged to pay Mexico about 5 billion dollars in reparations for it.
Gallows humor aside, the real problem is that government lacks the ability to make new people moving into an already crowded region bear a proportionate share of the cost (since most of them are illegals): instead the poor sods already there wind up paying most of it in taxes.
This is no slight on Mexicans, or illegal immigrants in general; most of whom seem to work hard in my experience. The problem is with the employers who hire them and the politicians who let it all happen, knowing it is economically unsustainable in the long run. And part of the reason employers hire them is because the tax and regulatory environment in California is such that they can't afford to pay wages to attract American citizen workers (of whatever ethnic background).
Around and around it goes. Ain't liberalism wonderful?
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posted on
09/19/2005 6:48:47 AM PDT
by
Heatseeker
("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
To: N2Gems
exactly the thought that I had. Who, in their right mind even considers building an underground highway along a fault line. Can you imagine the number of deaths that will occur should an earthquake hit during rush hour?People always exaggerate the threats of possible disasters. Like New Orleans, for example. Katrina came, and barely even slightly damaged the place.
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posted on
09/19/2005 6:51:14 AM PDT
by
Lazamataz
(Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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