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7 Airbus Jets Had Landing Gear Trouble
LaTimes.Com ^ | September 23, 2005 | Jennifer Oldham and Megan Garvey, Times Staff Writers

Posted on 09/23/2005 1:46:47 AM PDT by konaice

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To: leadpenny; tinytutu; GovernmentShrinker
I just took a look at the incident reports for the 320 (this one hasn't been posted yet).It appears that the biggest problem A-320's have involves engine cowling's coming off (2 of them) and, of all things, DRINK SERVICE CARTS unsecured, becoming missiles rolling down the center aisle and striking the attendants (4 of them).
21 posted on 09/23/2005 3:58:45 AM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: stm

7 times the nose wheels have turned. 7 times the pilots have landed the plane WITHOUT a problem. 45,999,993 times the nose wheels have performed flawlessly.

Personally, I would worry more about a drink cart hitting me (see posting above).


22 posted on 09/23/2005 4:07:34 AM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Lokibob
7 times the nose wheels have turned. 7 times the pilots have landed the plane WITHOUT a problem. 45,999,993 times the nose wheels have performed flawlessly.

For an iten as critical as landing gear, that is not good enough. Really. If those 7 had all resulted in loss of life, that plane would have a terrible safety record.

23 posted on 09/23/2005 4:18:49 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Lokibob
7 times the nose wheels have turned. 7 times the pilots have landed the plane WITHOUT a problem.

Well, maybe just a small problem this time by looking at the picture.

24 posted on 09/23/2005 4:37:42 AM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: konaice

"Incidents happen every day"



I don't think you can afford to be dismissive of this kind of problem if you are in the airplane business... Or at least if you want to remain in the airline business.


25 posted on 09/23/2005 4:41:44 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: konaice

I hate it everytime I get into an Airbus. Last time the auto start on the engines did not work.


26 posted on 09/23/2005 4:41:46 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: Lokibob

Jetblue only serves snacks in hermetically sealed bags, so your odds of food poisoning on that airline are very low.


27 posted on 09/23/2005 4:54:18 AM PDT by appeal2
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Media making non-events into a big deal??

No, you don't say!


28 posted on 09/23/2005 4:59:45 AM PDT by Sometimes A River ("The leaves have broken on Lake Ponktran" - WKAT 1360 AM Miami Newsreader)
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To: Baynative

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1489796/posts?page=21#21

Are you sure you were just making up that stuff about the drink carts?


29 posted on 09/23/2005 5:09:41 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Paleo Conservative; konaice

Yet another reason to fly SW airlines!


30 posted on 09/23/2005 5:10:14 AM PDT by pissant
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To: konaice

I had to laugh when the MSNBC commentator said the safe landing demonstrates the quality of an Airbus airplane. - Forgetting the fact that poor quality caused the problem in the first place.


32 posted on 09/23/2005 5:21:46 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: konaice
Lesson of the day...

When shopping for aircraft, BUY AMERICAN.

F**K the euroweenies.

33 posted on 09/23/2005 5:26:01 AM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: konaice
The 737 rudder panic was caused over only about 5 incidents. To be fair they caused crashes, but one of these 320's could hook it one day and kill all onboard. The continued bias to protect Airbus continues in the aviation world. I don't get it.
34 posted on 09/23/2005 5:30:14 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: konaice

My buddy was a mechanic for Continental.
His motto was "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going!"
He hates Airbus.


35 posted on 09/23/2005 8:20:45 AM PDT by Holicheese (Would you like a beer? No thanks, I will have a bud light.)
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I was watching the live video internet link to the KCBS TV in Los Angles of the plane landing at LAX , and one of the news people mentioned that, and said that the pilot was so relaxed and claim and he said and gave orders that once he lands to keep the ( @$%#$ ) media away from him ( we can only guess he cant stand the MSM ).


36 posted on 09/23/2005 8:46:11 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: konaice

Many moons ago I was an aircraft mechanic and I'm astounded that the "failed position" of the nose gear is not a position that allows the plane to land. I am of course assuming that the nose gear fails so the tires are perpendicular to the runway.


37 posted on 09/23/2005 8:50:29 AM PDT by Snardius
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
we can only guess he cant stand the MSM

"an intelligent boy, a remarkable boy!"

38 posted on 09/23/2005 8:52:14 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo ("When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk!")
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To: Snardius
At least the EUs could have designed it, that if there was any kind of nose gear failure, that it would at least let the wheels be in parallel to the runway.
39 posted on 09/23/2005 8:59:53 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Lokibob
7 times the nose wheels have turned. 7 times the pilots have landed the plane WITHOUT a problem. 45,999,993 times the nose wheels have performed flawlessly.

You're putting yourself pretty far out on a limb defending the failure of a major system as a nonissue. The limb you're standing on has several faults:

- The assumption of 47 million operating cycles is too high, ignoring population growth over time, and downtime for service.
- Also missing is the fact that this is not a static population. It is continuously changing due to operation and maintenance. Perhaps there is some commonality among the failures in terms of environmental exposure, operating procedures, service procedures, build date, etc. etc. etc.
- The ratio of incidents to cycles is only one factor in assessing risk. The others are severity of failure, and detectability off the flaw. Granted, none of the incidents has resulted in a crash, but how many would it take to put an airline or Airbus out of business? Maybe one, definitely two. The nature of the failure, and the lack of root cause identification override the incident rate. IMHO, ONE of these failures should be a big deal anyway.

Well over 99% over engineering is ho-hum calculations, reports, and filing. This is not one of those situations. This is is a life and death, multibillion dollar BIG DEAL.

40 posted on 09/23/2005 9:03:50 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Never underestimate the speed in which the thin veneer of civilization can be stripped away.)
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