Ex-Teacher Testifies in Evolution Case [Day 3 of trial in Dover, PA]

The Intelligencer (PA) via phillyBurbs ^ | 28 September 2005 | MARTHA RAFFAELE

[connectthedots]

Bryan Rehm's family used to be able to count on friendly exchanges in restaurants or other public places around Dover. But on the witness stand yesterday, he told the court how different the Dover area community became once it was divided by the battle over intelligent design.

The kids at school tell his daughter she "came from monkeys," he said.

While this may be an oversimplification, isn't this pretty much what evolution claims?

[RadioAstronomer]

No

[connectthedots]

Then where did she come from?

[PatrickHenry]

From here:

This past December, John E. Jones, III, chairman of the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board (PLCB) and the already designated NABCA President-Elect for 2001-2002, resigned from the NABCA position, citing other responsibilities that would not allow time for him to properly perform his duties as NABCA President. Indeed, just before press time, StateWays learned that Jones was officially nominated on February 28 by President George W. Bush for a seat as a Federal judge on the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania.

John E. Jones III

[RadioAstronomer]

http://anthro.palomar.edu/earlyprimates/early_2.htm

(It does appear the very early primates were called monkeys, however, they are not the modern monkeys we see today)

[connectthedots]

So, the evolutionist answer is 'yes' rather than 'no'. That being the case, why should taht girl's parents be upset?

Evolutionists can't have it both ways.

[RadioAstronomer]

Not the same monkeys. Sorry, but in reference to the original question, the answer is still no.

Read the link.

[js1138]

I'm going to have to eat some crow here. that picture, along, with that bio, says we are in a heap of trouble. I bet he wishes this was a jury trial.

[connectthedots]

I did. Aside from the article in the link containing a lot of speculation, the general answer is 'yes'.

[balrog666]

I guess these school board members have never heard of the 9th Commandment, although that is on a par with most young-Earth-creationists.

[PatrickHenry]

b_sharp suggested this link, which is now added to The List-O-Links:

NEW Entropy and the second law of thermodynamics. Please note the Evolution link.

[Right Wing Professor]

I'm going to have to eat some crow here. that picture, along, with that bio, says we are in a heap of trouble

Doubt it. The senators from PA are Specter and Santorum; he would have been suggested by them. Neither is hard core religious right. He was confirmed unanimously by the Senate. His role as District Court judge is to assemble a factual record, and render a verdict based on the law. The case law here is clear, and he's given the plaintiffs a lot of latitude in introducing evidence. I was quite surprised he admitted testimony about Philip Johnson's statements on ID being an excuse to bring God into the classroom.

He'll issue a narrow, safe verdict based on precedent, finding for the plaintiffs, and the case will go to appeal, maybe, if Thomas More doesn't decide to cut their losses.

[PatrickHenry]

I'm going to have to eat some crow here. that picture, along, with that bio, says we are in a heap of trouble. I bet he wishes this was a jury trial.

He's no John Roberts. His record makes him sound like a political hack. And he's sitting there, thinking: "I don't know what's going on here, but on one side we have the ACLU ..."

[Right Wing Professor]

So, the evolutionist answer is 'yes' rather than 'no'. That being the case, why should taht girl's parents be upset?

If a kid's taunted about being short, and really is short, you think that's OK?

[PatrickHenry]

The senators from PA are Specter and Santorum ...

I recall that Santorum slipped something strange into the "No student left behind" bill. Something about creationism. I may be remembering it all wrong.

[WillamShakespeare]

This only truth here is devolution. Devo must be taught in schools! By gum I demand it!

[Matchett-PI]

"The case is about the Constitution -- specifically whether ID is so infused with theology that the school board's decision to present it violates the First Amendment."

~ Patrick Henry If one wants to use that argument then we can also say, "The case is about the Constitution -- specifically whether Darwinianism is so infused with supernaturalism (metaphysics) that the school board allowing it to be taught in sciences classes violates the First Amendment."

From the horse's mouth, himself:

"Origin of man now proved. -- Metaphysics must flourish. - He who understands baboon would do more toward Metaphysics than Locke." --- [Charles] Darwin, Notebook M, August 16, 1838

As proudly quoted front and center by Michael T Ghiselin in his book Metaphysics and the Origin of Species

[Matchett-PI]

"..I don't want superstition taught at public expense."

Did you intend to bad-mouth Darwin? (See #77)

[js1138]

In reporting discussions about intelligent design, they quoted board members making religious statements that the board members now deny making.

Interesting. How many witnesses does it take to make something a fact?

[RightWingAtheist]

Yes, he did.