Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Stairway to heaven(Space elevator)
telegraph UK ^ | 28/09/2005 | staff

Posted on 09/28/2005 1:16:19 PM PDT by saganite

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-76 next last

1 posted on 09/28/2005 1:16:21 PM PDT by saganite
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: tricky_k_1972; KevinDavis

ping


2 posted on 09/28/2005 1:23:23 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: saganite

wait, wait, wait...

The Moon orbits the Earth. Are they proposing a static elevator between the two? I see this ending poorly, yet expensively at the same time.


3 posted on 09/28/2005 1:25:10 PM PDT by BostonianRightist (I looted New Orleans and all I got was 40 of these lousy taglines.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: saganite

sorry duplicate post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1491158/posts


4 posted on 09/28/2005 1:29:26 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: saganite
Better solution:

Just beam me up Scotty.

5 posted on 09/28/2005 1:31:37 PM PDT by Cobra64
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cobra64

Better solution:

Just beam me up Scotty.

-----

Wonkavision


6 posted on 09/28/2005 1:33:22 PM PDT by FearlessFreep (If life gives you lemons, blame it on Bush.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: BostonianRightist

No, no, no...

Sattelites are already routinely placed in a "geosynchronous orbit." Sattelites stay in orbit because their inertia (improperly called, "centrifugal force") cancels out gravity. The closer to the earth they are, the faster they spin relative to the earth. So there is a point, hundreds of miles high, where the speed they are travelling matches the rotational velocity of the earth. This allows a satellite placed on the equator to stay precisely over the same point of land.

The idea would be to balance a ribbon stretching downward with extra mass above the orbital plane so that the mean mass of the satellite (including the ribbon) remains at the level of a geosynchronous orbit, but yet the ribbon reaches all the way to the earth. Then you can create a dumb waiter to lift small loads from the earth to the sattelite, where gravity is much, much weaker.

The problem with space flight is that nearly all your fuel is burnt just getting you to a low orbital level. Worse, the mroe fuel you carry, the heavier your ship is, so you have diminishing returns severly limiting the ability to travel into space. (Hence, massive rockets were needed to carry a lunar module scarcely bigger than a pickup truck.) If you can get as a high as a space elevator, the rest is a snap.


7 posted on 09/28/2005 1:43:13 PM PDT by dangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: saganite

A more efficient method would be to wrap the cable around the moon. This way, there would be a second cable returning to earth, creating an up as well as down elevator of sorts. By installing little cable cars, just about anyone could visit the moon. I hope they consider this as I would like to visit several relatives who live there.


8 posted on 09/28/2005 2:05:31 PM PDT by RTINSC
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: saganite

Perhaps all we need is a large rubber band...


9 posted on 09/28/2005 2:06:12 PM PDT by Lou L
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RTINSC

Indeed.


10 posted on 09/28/2005 2:08:11 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: saganite
solar-powered "climbers'', each carrying up to 20 tons, would crawl up a single cable into space over several days

That suggests no counterweight. Solar power is going to be tricky.

11 posted on 09/28/2005 2:11:21 PM PDT by RightWhale (28 Sep 05 -- first snowflake --where's FEMA?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dangus
Sorry man, but inertia is the tendency of a body at rest to remain at rest (Newton's first law). Geosynchronous orbit, as the article states is a little over 22,000 miles up from the surface. This is where the centripedal force (Earth's gravity) equals the centrifugal force (an apparent force like rock on a string) and everthing is stable. Other than that you've got the right picture.
12 posted on 09/28/2005 2:12:01 PM PDT by Helotes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: RightWhale

Hmm. Guess you're right. Guess that's why you're RightWhale!


13 posted on 09/28/2005 2:12:30 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: saganite

If you're in a space hotel at 22,000 miles, and the cord breaks, what happens? You should just hover there until you can be recovered, right? Or would you be thrown out into space?


14 posted on 09/28/2005 2:14:50 PM PDT by Lauretij2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Helotes

The article mentions a 600 ton satellite in synchronous orbit. What's the heaviest thing that's been put in a synchronous orbit to date?


15 posted on 09/28/2005 2:15:17 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: saganite

But, having a fiber that has the tensile strength to do this at all is a big step. That was the stopper.


16 posted on 09/28/2005 2:15:29 PM PDT by RightWhale (28 Sep 05 -- first snowflake --where's FEMA?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: saganite

Doesn't this whole space elevator episode end with aliens and a 'cookbook'??? LOL!


17 posted on 09/28/2005 2:15:46 PM PDT by BossLady
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RightWhale

I think I saw you posting on a recent thread here about a major breakthrough in production of carbon nanotube sheets that can be used to construct this thing. If not, I can provide a link.


18 posted on 09/28/2005 2:20:35 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: saganite

Not in this lifetime. I'm just a space elevator fan. I think it's gonna work and we'll all wonder why we are building these big rockets for $100 billion.


19 posted on 09/28/2005 2:21:07 PM PDT by Helotes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Helotes

Wouldn't it be great if a privately funded space elevator obsoleted all those govt funded rockets? Of course, we'd still need some heavy lift to get that 600 ton satellite up there!


20 posted on 09/28/2005 2:25:47 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-76 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson