Posted on 12/15/2005 7:03:13 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
I agree. I don't like either. Cornyn is the much better of the two. Because it makes the workers leave it is not an amnesty (except for the employers). And it does have some fairly decent enforcement language that Kyl stuck in. But it is still a massive influx of ignorant cheap labor which the taxpayers are going to be forced to subsidize while it drives blue collar workers out of the middle class.
One or the other of these bills is likely to pass in the Senate. My prediction is that it will be a combination of the shamnesty provisions from McCainneddy coupled with the enforcement provisions from Cornyn/Kyle. I will be adamently against it.
It will then go to the Senate/House Conference to be reconciled with whatever the House comes up with.
If we allow the bill that comes out of the House to contain the language that Jeff Flake has inserted "it is the sense of the House that a guesswork program is necessary to keep the economy growing" it will be an invitation for the House Leadership (Hastert, Dreier, Sensenbrenner) who are all tools of the Chamber of Commerce Open Borders Lobby to adopt the Guestworker Shamnesty language passed by the Senate without any opposition in the Conference.
We will then be in the position of having to try to kill the "Grand Compromise". I think it would be better to just kill the House bill now rather than pass it complete with the language that will inevitably lead to trying to kill it later. If we wait until we are fighting the Grand Compromise, it is going to pass with the support of RINO Republicans and all the Democrats who will vote for the amnesty with a path to citizenship. At that point there is no way for us to win.
But the issue at hand is the bill in the House and particularly the bad language which Flake is trying to insert. I think it would be better to have NO bill then a bill which contained that language. If that language is included in the House Bill it all but guarantees the eventual passage of a shamnesty of some sort.
I agree. Later today, the House will be debating HR 4437. We'll see what comes of it.
Be all this as it may be . . . I hope everyone solidly realizes that the correct phrase is NOT
" . . . they do jobs no American will do. . ."
It is, rather,
" . . . the US has run out of working age people. There is no internal solution. The baby boom will be too old to work very soon and there are jobs no American will do not because they are beneath Americans, but because there are no working age Americans available to do them. . . "
So, folks, go ahead and get self-righteous about all this, but whatever solution you come up with make sure it involves having workers of working age available to do work without having to pay airfare to get them here.
I think the pendelum has swung and the worm has turned. Time will tell. The system (or lack of it) as it is now is not working. It amounts to little more than invasion. Employers have no incentive to check on a workers credentials and therefore have no incentive to make the field level for American citizens. Congress is wise and want to keep their jobs. Listen to C-span now. They are running scared.
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I think the pendelum has swung and the worm has turned. Time will tell. The system (or lack of it) as it is now is not working. It amounts to little more than invasion. Employers have no incentive to check on a workers credentials and therefore have no incentive to make the field level for American citizens. Congress is wise and want to keep their jobs. Listen to C-span now. They are running scared.
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I'm cool with all of this, but demographics are more powerful than pretty much anything.
We do not have anywhere near enough working age Americans. The baby boom generation cannot go out and work doing heavy lifting and landscaping and construction. They just can't because they have grown old.
I don't care what is done to address all of this. Whatever it is make sure it provides enough working age people to do work that has to be done and that this is accomplished without paying for airfare.
MSG>Dear Congressman Hastert,
Please remove the guest worker provision from the Immigration bill. We have over 10 million illegal immigrants in the country due to your malfeasance over the past ten years. We want them deported and to apply LEGALLY to come to our country. You need to put up a fence on our southern borders and start arresting employers that employ illegal immigrants. You also need to cut off all aid to Mexico until they reform their rotten and corrupt country.
Sincerely
If we borrow workers they should leave their families home. We will not have to medicate, feed and educate them if that condition is met. It would also encourage their return home. The employer that brings in temporary workers should be fully responsible for their sustanance and medical responsibilities. Take that off of the tax-payers back. An employer caught hiring illegals under the table loses all right to import workers for at least five years. Violation to be a felony. Just a few maybes.
The OBL perfidy knows no bounds!
I think we should invest heavily in perfecting this robotic technology. It is expensive now but once we get these things coming down the production cost curve they should be no more expensive then a vacuum cleaner.
And they won't bring diseases, commit crimes, clog our schools, consume free emergency room care, demand food stamps for their anchor babies or vote fraudulently. And best of all, they speak English.
The technology is not quite there yet but Honda has made great progress and in a few years these things should be picking lettuce, washing dishes, digging holes, mowing lawns, cleaning motel rooms and all the other low skilled jobs that Americans supposedly won't do.
When the price and the technology come of age, businesses are going to drop their cheap, low skilled, labor force like hot potatoes. Rather than minimum wage, all these things want is a nightly battery charge and for that they will work 7 days per week, 20 hours per day. Every low skilled worker that we have allowed to immigrate plus all of our home grown low skilled workers are going to be sitting around collecting unemployment checks, drinking beer and making babies . For taxpayers sake, I think we should be careful how many of these low skilled folks we import because if we think they cost us a lot now, wait until they are displaced out of the workforce.
The problem, about 30 *republicans*, otherwise known as RINOS from the northeast and midwest have jumped ship on this issue.
Does this list include our president?
The company plans to start using Asimo's new receptionist functions at Honda offices early next year. The new robot is also available for lease for 20 million yen ($170,000) a year.
Call made ping.
Is your concern the cost? Yes they are very expensive right now. But just look at it; there is no reason it should remain expensive once it starts into mass production. It is just a small piece of machinery. Wait until the Chinese start slapping them out en mass!
A few short years ago a DVD burner cost $5000 and wasn't really available to the public. Now they sell them at Walmart for $100. Two years ago I bought a DVD player for about $140. This year they are selling better ones for $39 and cheap ones for $19.
These robots will be cheap and will come with far fewer problems then third world laborers.
I think it was a German Chancellor lamenting their Turkish guest workers who said (probably in German), "We called for labor and we got human beings." With these things, when you call for labor you will get labor and a small electricity bill.
Sounds good to me. But will they mow my lawn in 7 months?
Made my call and they are expecting yours. Get it done folks!!!
Made my call and they are expecting yours. Get it done folks!!!
It is really interesting to watch the "sob sisters" come out on C-Span in defense of illegal immigration. The mood there does not support their line of crap. I think we are seeing the start of effective enforcement of our borders.
Here is the White House Statement with regard to the House enforcement bill (H.R. 4437):
White house Statement on HR 4437
(the link is to a PDF so you need Adobe Acrobat)
The Administration strongly urges the House to pass this important legislation, and we look forward to working with Congress to ensure that certain provisions of the bill do not inadvertently affect operations designed to gain control of the border. The Administration remains committed to comprehensive immigration reform, including a temporary worker program that avoids amnesty, and believes this bill is a positive step toward that goal.
In other words, with the help of the Senate, they believe they can corrupt it into a shamnesty.
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