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Ratner's Anti-Globalization Rant: No Foreigners Should Own Ports
Fox & Friends Weekend/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 02/25/2006 5:15:41 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

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To: Fruitbat
Sorry, but I prefer not to pardon your ignorance.

Your spinning is certainly typical but nonetheless, not very enlightening.

81 posted on 02/25/2006 6:36:29 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: aligncare
The Right is foolishly giving weight to the Democrat's argument that this administration is weak on defense.

The administration, not to be confused with conservative America, is weak on border control, and that is a part of defense. So in that respect, yes, there is a massive weakness in defense.

We've got the front door locked, bolted, and fully secured. But sadly, we've left the basement door not only unlocked, but all but wide open with the dog sleeping in another room of the basement.

82 posted on 02/25/2006 6:37:45 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Strange bedfellows for sure...

Ratner-Buchanan, Bush-Carter, Rush-O'Reilly, Savage-Hannity.

I'm with the President on this, but very uneasy feelings about it.

I recognize the US needs the UAE for strategic reasons in the upcoming faceoff over Iran and the possible civil war in Iraq.

The liberal left are hypocrites for sure, but even hypocrites are right once in awhile.

Too bad Halliburton doesn't do port ownership/management. Now THAT would really hit the Dems between the legs. ;^)

83 posted on 02/25/2006 6:39:35 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: aligncare

Interesting observation. That could happen. I remain optimistic that it won't.

Regardless, '06 is going to be an interesting election year.


84 posted on 02/25/2006 6:39:41 AM PST by PGalt
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Why is no one remembering the CLINTON Administration's turning over LONG BEACH CALIFORNIA Port to the CHINESE.

The hypocricy of Hitlery Clinton about UAE but gotta love those CHICOM's.

85 posted on 02/25/2006 6:40:57 AM PST by marty60
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To: OldFriend
Sorry, but I prefer not to pardon your ignorance.

Your spinning is certainly typical but nonetheless, not very enlightening.

Yeah, that's about on par with what I expected from the "Pros" here on the topic.

My ignorance? All I'm doing is asking questions OldFriend.

But your contribution to the argument, we should be grateful for. What tremendous insight in your response.

Thanks so much for clearing these matters up. LMAO!!

I don't know how those of us blathering morons can refute such well reasoned out evidence on the matter. LOL

86 posted on 02/25/2006 6:42:45 AM PST by Fruitbat
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If someone has a real answer to the questions I've laid out, please, shoot me a note.

Honestly, has a good chunk of the conservative base really become that much of a sheep contingent as is being witnessed on this issue? Honestly....


87 posted on 02/25/2006 6:44:20 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat

Here is a picture of the driving force behind those who oppose the P&O sale to DPW. The union is afraid of DBW, DBW is efficiency minded and will cut waste and graft.

88 posted on 02/25/2006 6:45:58 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The libs are really twisted on the issue of foreign ownership and foreign trade. The basic reason is that it is very hard to be a "One Worlder" that loves the U.N. and be anti-Africa or anti-The Beloved Europe or anti-anything with a Socialist based government. At the same time, what do you tell your loyal union supporters who are losing their jobs to overseas labor. I guess you just attack capitalism and hope nobody notices what complete hypocrite you are.
89 posted on 02/25/2006 6:47:25 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: cripplecreek
Seen our borders lately?

It interesting you should mention that. I think that that is the main reason why this DPW issue is a tempest in a teapot. The real security risk, as you rightly imply, is the southern or northern border. Easily breached, it makes the strategy of our enemies attempting to attack us by the more difficult route of getting past our Coast Guard and US Customs at the ports, irrelevant.

90 posted on 02/25/2006 6:49:01 AM PST by aligncare (Watergate killed journalism)
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To: RGSpincich
Oh, OK. So let's throw national security to the four winds in favor of efficiency in what, one-gazillionth of the government as a starting point.

LOL...

I won't disagree. But hell, what if Satan himself were able to run our ports with the utmost of efficiency, would we hire him?

So you're in the camp then, presumably, that says screw national security, as long as things "run efficiently," that's all that matters?

And we're now to understand that there's not one other company that's not muslim owned and operated that has the ability to "improve efficiency" in any way whatsoever?

As well, aren't we hearing that port ops and those conducting them won't change? Seems to me we are, which is at odds with your assertion.

Let me ask you a question; Let's suppose we knew ahead of time that muslims with an agenda "adversarial to US security interests" and terrorist supporing would be working for DPW on this. Would you be 100% certain and comfortable letting this deal go through?

Secondly, how can you be assured that that isn't or would never be the case? I mean the muslim world isn't one to stand up and say "hey, I'm a terrorist, .... pardon me, ...excuse me...." on the way to a transportation node to destroy.

Instead, we're to now believe that this is a very lucrative contract, yet, the only company in the entire world that can "make a go of it" effectively is muslim owned. I see.

No sale here.

91 posted on 02/25/2006 6:53:55 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: RGSpincich

PS, I'm with you on unions!!! In spades in fact.


92 posted on 02/25/2006 6:54:50 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Kind of like a Super Jones Act.


93 posted on 02/25/2006 6:56:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: raybbr
At least you are honest about despising Americans.

Not wise to go to the personal attack...

Vietnam vet, USAF 1969 - 1973. Naturalized...I cried when I was sworn in as a US Citizen (I tear up just thinking about that wonderful day). And nobody loves this great country more than I.

Keep the discussion on the topic...we simply disagree on what is best for the country we both love.

94 posted on 02/25/2006 6:57:13 AM PST by aligncare (Watergate killed journalism)
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To: aligncare
It interesting you should mention that. I think that that is the main reason why this DPW issue is a tempest in a teapot. The real security risk, as you rightly imply, is the southern or northern border. Easily breached, it makes the strategy of our enemies attempting to attack us by the more difficult route of getting past our Coast Guard and US Customs at the ports, irrelevant.

In spite of the porousness of our borders, I still view it as highly unlikely that a "container" full of something that could be used as a WMD would get across. The borders appear to be more porous to people and whatever they can carry.

But it seems to me, based on reports, and check me if I'm wrong, only a fraction of "containers" are actually checked to the point of 100% certainty of not containing anything harmful in that manner.

Well, according to the odds, if terrorists sent 10 containers, it seems to me that the chances are the 9 would get through. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. But as well, if only one in 10 or 20 get through, the results could be disastrous.

95 posted on 02/25/2006 6:58:22 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: aligncare
Keep the discussion on the topic...we simply disagree on what is best for the country we both love.

That's tough for some here. ; )

96 posted on 02/25/2006 7:00:05 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat
Instead, we're to now believe that this is a very lucrative contract, yet, the only company in the entire world that can "make a go of it" effectively is muslim owned. I see.

PSA, International from Singapore had attempted a take over of P&O but the bidding got too rich. The value is in the potential, DBW sees a company with lots of fat that can be trimmed while not affecting revenue. This scares the hell out of the unions. Democrats are carrying water for organized labor, I don't know what the rest of you guys are doing. DBW has a numerous terminals from which to launch an attack by container(s) on any US port. They don't need to spend billions and then blow themselves up.

97 posted on 02/25/2006 7:00:51 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: aligncare; raybbr; All
Keep the discussion on the topic.

Amen, brother. As someone who greatly values FR and the community created here, I'm dismayed by the level of personal vitriol this ports issue is generating. There are some tough questions here, and I'm all for rigorous debate. But the quick resort to name-calling is a shame. Let's keep it substantive.

98 posted on 02/25/2006 7:01:00 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show Since 2002 So You Don't Have To.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Ellen didn't seem to mind bringing lumber in from Russia a couple of years ago for her family company? Guess it's ok for her to make millions but not anybody else.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


99 posted on 02/25/2006 7:01:45 AM PST by bray (GW protects Americans while DinocRats protect Al Queda)
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To: RGSpincich
Thanks for the well thought out response!!

They don't need to spend billions and then blow themselves up.

You missed me here. Can you clarify?

PSA, International from Singapore had attempted a take over of P&O but the bidding got too rich.

But there's no denial that it could have been run by a company from another "non-muslim" or terrorist empathizing nation then, right? Well that's not what we've heard or been told. Obviously if they got outbid, they'd have done it. That is very interesting and throws another dog into the fight as I see it.

DPW's takeover may scare the hell out of the unions, but the thought of terror scares the hell out of the American people.

Furthermore, your statement implies that DPW will have a very significant role in altering current port operational practices otherwise they wouldn't be able to "impact efficiency" in that manner.

Again, this is the opposite of what we've been told. I'm still waiting to hear exactly what controls, influences, and authorities DPW would have in this way, specifically and in detail.

100 posted on 02/25/2006 7:07:18 AM PST by Fruitbat
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