Axe attack fells soldier

Canadian Press - Toronto Sun ^ | Sun. Mar.05/2006 | By LES PERREAUX, THE CANADIAN PRESS

[pyx]

Schamuhn has grown to trust villagers through dozens of encounters. He and Greene had removed their helmets and set down their arms in a sign of respect and trust.

You can't make this stuff up. It appears after reading the story that Capt. Schamuhn STILL doesn't get it.

Its VERY sad that this soldier has given valuable his life to uphold PC causes. Disarming yourself while incountry is I suppose, one way to ensure you'll go home soon.

[thoughtomator]

What other religion has a "signature call" for its suicide attackers?

[ClearCase_guy]

I think you are too harsh.

We need to trust. We need to take chances. He who dares, wins.

[cardinal4]

What other religion has a "signature call" for its suicide attackers?

Good point..

[steveo]

Level the village.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

flatten it.....they all knew, they pulled their kids back!

[FreedomCalls]

Its VERY sad that this soldier has given valuable his life to uphold PC causes.

He's still alive.

[CyberAnt]

I'm sorry .. a soldier NEVER takes off his helmet on the battlefield .. NEVER.

I've noticed our guys stay in full armour - all the time.

[fanfan]

Canada Ping!

Please FReepmail me to get on or off this Canada ping list.

[Tree of Liberty]

Level the village.

That'd be a start.

[MizSterious]

So very sad that they didn't see this one coming. Some here are insisting we must "trust." I think we must only "trust" that we shouldn't turn our backs on people we don't know. First, get a reason to trust, let them earn it.

[Admin Moderator]

Please use original titles.

[Daralundy]

A similar (but not identical) thread here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1590018/posts

[Wormwood]

You break it, you bought it.

[SuzyQue]

Did Lt. Greene die? He was in critical condition last I heard.

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

So this is where the phrase "he got the axe" comes from...

[loboinok]

"We need to trust. We need to take chances. He who dares, wins."


I trust in God... everyone else can keep their hands where I can see them.

[Cicero]

Villagers had welcomed them with blankets and bread and meat.

This was a severe violation of trust and hospitality. It is an almost universal custom among tribal peoples that hospitality is one of the highest virtues and that guests are sacred. Better to kill one of your own family than a guest under your roof who has broken bread with you.

In the Bible story, this is why Lot offers to give his own daughters to the mob of Sodomites rather than send out the angels disguised as young men, because terrible as it would be to prostitute a daughter, it was better than betraying invited guests.

This has always been the case with Arabs and other tribal Muslims. This is really unbelievable. And, as the story suggests, the tribal elders apparently agreed to do this.

When you read about breach of hospitality that Cesare Borgia committed at Sinagaglia, even Machiavelli finds it an evil act. And when Machiavelli thinks of evil tyrants, again it is famous breaches of hospitality that he thinks of first.

Yes, hospitality is sometimes breached in traditional societies, but it is so evil that it is remembered for hundreds of years. This whole tribe has disgraced itself by doing this. I agree that the Canadians did right to trust their hosts. They could not do otherwise.

[Battle Axe]

Sort of the same thing happened in 1973 in the Modoc Indian War. Captain Jack, head of the Modoc tribe, was sitting in a meeting of General Canby, U. S. Calvary in the Lava Beds, now a National Monument.

Capt. Jack had been goaded into attacking Gen. Canby by several of the lesser chiefs, calling Capt. Jack a woman. Capt. Jack was age 33. Capt. Jack pulled out a gun and shot Gen. Canby dead, when other Indians attacked others of the party. One man was scalped and survived. Capt. Jack escaped in the mayhem.

Washington sent more troops into the Modoc/Siskiyou county area of California....Northeast corner...and soon there were 4000 U.S. troops against 73 Indians.

The whole thing had started when two other bands of Indians, the Klamaths and the Pit River Indians began robbing wagon trains dressed up like Modocs. Apparently, the Modocs did not commit the crimes, but had violated a treaty by moving back into their own territory instead of living with the Klamaths on the Chiloquin reservation.

Eventually, Capt. Jack was captured and hanged at Ft. Klamath, Oregon.

Only a few, maybe 4 Modocs are left and I think one that is part Modoc is a newscaster.

This post sounds soft on the Indians and I've always had a soft spot in my heart for them. My family moved into the region 75 years after the remaining Modocs were removed to Oklahoma. My grandmother was petrified of Indians and forced me to practice hiding under the bed for when and if they came back.

[pyx]

I think you are too harsh.

You're right. But then, I'm a survivor.