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Axe attack fells soldier
Canadian Press - Toronto Sun ^ | Sun. Mar.05/2006 | By LES PERREAUX, THE CANADIAN PRESS

Posted on 03/05/2006 2:55:28 PM PST by pyx

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To: Battle Axe
Sort of the same thing happened in 1973 in the Modoc Indian War. Captain Jack, head of the Modoc tribe, was sitting in a meeting of General Canby, U. S. Calvary in the Lava Beds,

I hadn't heard about that one. Was it in downtown LA or Chicago?

61 posted on 03/05/2006 5:18:18 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (When in doubt, I ask myself: "What would Jack Bauer do?" My boss isn't going to like the answer...)
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To: MizSterious

This is a perfect example of the sickness that infects Islam. Historically, traditionally, in the words of the Kuran, a guest is to be treated with honor -- even if he is your enemy. It has been a time honored tradition by people who move over long distances. I am sure if you discuss this with a Muslim he will agree that this sort of thing is an abomination. If he does not, he is part of the problem.


62 posted on 03/05/2006 5:20:24 PM PST by gaspar
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To: pyx
"Schamuhn said he had started to believe the oft-repeated Afghan contention that foreigners are causing all the trouble."

Gullible Canadian believed all the leftist BS until reality hit his buddy up side the head.
63 posted on 03/05/2006 5:38:50 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: Battle Axe
Opps ....my bad......1873.

I really wasn't going to say anything...I tpye w/ ym thumbs, too. :D

64 posted on 03/05/2006 5:39:57 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: pyx
"Disarming yourself while incountry is I suppose, one way to ensure you'll go home soon."

They wanted to show the Americans how much better their friendly, polite, and trusting methods worked with the natives, than the rude and crude methods used by the ignorant Yanks.
65 posted on 03/05/2006 5:40:45 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: Hot Tabasco

No, this was a real war in 1873. (Cold fingers syndrome.)

The Lava Beds National Monument was my backyard as a kid. I would ride my horse out there into the wilderness thinking I would find a nice young Indian brave... but only found rattlesnakes, scorpions, bobcats and mountain lions.


66 posted on 03/05/2006 5:50:52 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: loboinok
Until very recently that was my tagline.

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67 posted on 03/05/2006 6:03:33 PM PST by Lurker (Cuz I got one hand in my pocket and the other one is slapping a hippy.)
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To: MikefromOhio
Think it might be a possibility that these soldiers might have been effective at their mission and the terrorists wanted to put a crimp in it?

Same thing happened in Nam. We took school supplies to a Vietnamese school. The teacher was really pretty. We passed the gifts out to the kids and they put on some entertainment for us and we left. A week later the VC showed up disemboweled the teacher and killed most of the kids. This was a lesson for the villagers not to work with the Americans. This was not an isolated incident by any stretch of the imagination.
68 posted on 03/05/2006 6:19:27 PM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Americanexpat

that's my thinking.

It also makes me think that the people involved were AQ. They've done the same thing in Iraq a couple times.....


69 posted on 03/05/2006 6:20:23 PM PST by MikefromOhio (22,952+ replies - wow I'm talkative.....)
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To: pyx
You MUST understand that Greene ALMOST was beheaded by an axe stroke. The perp, now dead, got nervous, bent his wrists and Greene was struck with either the head or the flat of the ax blade.

We should be freeping the MoD to let fraser have undiluted command of his operation. Enough liberal micromanagement with this " Peace Corps" nonsense.

Their mission should be to gather intelligence on the Talibani and Kill them. Anything else will simply mean body bags in Valcartier.And Harper will face a tide of Liberal Wing Nut " We told you so s." and will be forced to pull CFOR out of Afghanistan as a laughing stalk.

The sad part is that it will cost the lives and health of many loyal, patriots of the Princess Pat Rifles.

70 posted on 03/05/2006 7:31:59 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Cicero
"I agree that the Canadians did right to trust their hosts">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Dead Wrong. And I do mean dead.

71 posted on 03/05/2006 7:34:06 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: gaspar
in the words of the Kuran, a guest is to be treated with honor -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This is only true for those who are Muslims, who are guests of other Muslims.

Infidels are relegated to the subhuman category of dimmitude and other parts of the Koran are quite specific that Muslims cannot be punished under the laws of Sharia for killing, maiming or raping the infidel. That is actually encouraged.

Get real or you will be encouraging the slaughter of your fellow Canadians in Kandhahar.Or are you so liberal that you are quite willing to aristocratically " let them eat cake?".

There is only one answer that a Talibani respects from an infidel and it most often is in the form of a projectile travelling in excess of 1000 feet per second or the sharp blade.

Until that is made clear between CFOR and the Taliban, the Canadian forces will be regarded as a joke by everybody but the Hollywood born again Gandhi liberals of the USA and Canada. And CFOR will never be offerd again into a theater of combat by the Canadain government. You might imagine what that will mean in terms of future strategic partnerships with the free world countries who are arrayed to fight totalitarianism. NONE.

We are witnessing the bankruptcy of Utopian Canadian liberalism in its inability to deal with the real world ladies and gentlemen.

72 posted on 03/05/2006 7:48:08 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: CyberAnt
Schamuhn has grown to trust villagers through dozens of encounters.

I don't believe this was the Canadians' first attempt.
73 posted on 03/05/2006 8:20:57 PM PST by NorthOf45
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To: Ninian Dryhope
Gullible Canadian believed all the leftist BS until reality hit his buddy up side the head.

I believe Schamuhn's comment indicated that the contention was referring to foreigners from countries bordering Afghanistan ... not foreigners from the west.
74 posted on 03/05/2006 8:24:05 PM PST by NorthOf45
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To: CaptainCanada
Whether it was for revenge, or terror, or whatever, it was a wholesale slaughter of innocent German civilians, and almost everyone now agrees it was wrong.

I don't. My dad flew fighter escort on a few of the thousand-bomber raids, and I am proud of what he did. The Germans deserved every bit of what they got and then some.

I drink a toast to the memory of "Bomber" Harris. Most of our current military commanders could learn a thing or two from his example.

-ccm

75 posted on 03/05/2006 8:28:42 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: ccmay
Agreed on Bomber Harris. The doo gooder approach is laudable, but that has no place in an unsecured zone, even if the zone appears to be friendly.

Green would not have been hit, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTING EACH OTHER, if the meeting were held in a secured area, with a weapons search done before hand.

Ladies! We are talking about basic military procedure here.

War should be prosecuted with a very high degree of violence to bring about victory. It is only in Victory that the actions of a peaceful society can be manifest.

This liberal do gooder crap in a hostle zone simply gets young Canadians killed, while inflicting no dmage oin the enemy, and simultaneously, dangeously offering an image of profound weakness , and lack of will.

Goodness can and must harness violence to seek its end, in a theater of war.Unless you Canucks realize this, many of you will die.

76 posted on 03/05/2006 8:48:28 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Candor7
Unless you Canucks realize this, many of you will die.

They'll revise their operating procedures as a result of this event.
77 posted on 03/05/2006 8:56:22 PM PST by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45

Well .. okay .. but I still don't think it's a good idea to let your guard down. This is a war zone - whether they like it or not.


78 posted on 03/05/2006 9:18:28 PM PST by CyberAnt (Democrats/Old Media: "controversy, crap and confusion" -- Amen!)
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To: NorthOf45
"They'll revise their operating procedures as a result of this event."

I disagree. They will APPEAR to revise their operating procedures. Some faceless MoD set of Wingnut Liberals have written the rules of engagemet (ROE) for this deployment. They will be responsible for the deaths of dozens of young Canadians,if we do not find out who they are and make them STOP.

These liberal MoD wing nuts you see, have a goal in mind. That is to make Prime Minister Harper look bad for supporting this deployment, for how many body bags will the Canadian public permit before there is a public outcry, like Murtha here in the US, to bring our soldiers home? The Talibanis know this of course, and I am sure their agents in Ottawa have managed to inform them that the magic number is between 10% and 20% of the Afghanistan CFOR.

This means between 110 and 210 canadian deaths.

And what canon fodder has the wing nut liberal MoD offered the Taliban? Well, well, not many French Canadians there you see, just a good Scottish Regiment that can't possibly succeed under it's present ROE, and they will be defamed and disbanded when they get home?? While the "Royal" 22nd Regiment in Valcartier sits back and assumes the budgetary windfall of a defeated scots Canadian regiment? Not hard to find the MoD wing nuts then, just look for a cadre of MoD wing nuts who are Francophones.

I'd say to you Canucks: , " Pull your heads out of the ground, or your asses, and get on the horn to your PM, so that General Fraser has the feedom he needs to mount a classic anti-guerrilla operation."

Short of that, this peace corps nonsense is a sure recipe for failure of both the PM and for the military regiment involved, not to mention the deaths of many good young Canadians.

Put it this way: Inculcate yourself with the rage that Greene's parents brothers and sisters have right now.

79 posted on 03/05/2006 9:21:56 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: pyx

I thank God for this hero and his loved ones.


80 posted on 03/05/2006 10:05:34 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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