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Clean Air Calabasas
Reason ^ | March 8, 2006 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 03/08/2006 2:25:36 PM PST by neverdem

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To: DakotaRed
NYC goes after smokers who bought cigarettes on Internet.

It's sickening how cigarettes are a legal commodity and yet we are all made to feel like criminals because we buy it.

And it's the American Way to Shop Cheap.  What did the states expect from us when they raised the cigarette taxes through the roof to continually provide the lawmakers and the anti's with more of our money!

21 posted on 03/08/2006 6:32:58 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: doorgunner69
"During much of the year Calabasas (western San Fernando Valley) has intense smog, the kind that closes your breathing passages and drops visibility to under a mile.

You're full of crap. I work there and during most of the year, the wind blows over Hidden Hills from the desert air expansion towards the ocean. Nothing comes from L.A.

Dumping a bagful of ciggie butts on the entrance to the courthouse is suitable here.

22 posted on 03/08/2006 6:44:55 PM PST by BobS
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To: BobS
I don't know anything about the pollution problems of the area - but I sure do like your suggestion:

Dumping a bagful of ciggie butts on the entrance to the courthouse is suitable here.

but I would change it to the steps of city hall.

23 posted on 03/08/2006 7:02:17 PM PST by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: SheLion
"Thank God for Free Republic where the truth can be told..."

There are a bunch of office buildings close to the Parkway Calabasas exit on the Ventura freeway where rich liberals work and try to out-liberal each other. Particularly around Serrano Ave. Those are the people that belly-rub with the town council.

I dealt with them sometimes. I stand my ground. I don't talk like them; I get my point across fast. I don't act like them; I am below no one. I don't dress like them; my hands make exotic avionics things work. I don't smell like them.

One more thing, in that shopping center there where I eat lunch once in a while, women get a dear-in-the-headlights look when a man says something sort of "direct" to her:) Use your insight into the kind of men they work with!

24 posted on 03/08/2006 7:11:03 PM PST by BobS
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To: Gabz
There ARE no pollution problems there. They should outlaw the ragweed wildfires that seem to occur annually in Simi Valley, Grenada Hills and those valleys around there and West Hills sometimes. The wind always blows toward the ocean 10 miles away and leaves white and some black ash around the place.

It's not a big city. But I know the popular entrance to the parking area where the town meets. Small courthouse and a mall of business suites. A bagful of butts right there would make them drive over them. Maybe mix some condoms in with them for good measure? April Fools is on a Saturday.

25 posted on 03/08/2006 7:25:58 PM PST by BobS
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To: BobS

I'd like to see ragweed outlawed altogether - but that's a personal problem wiht me :)

This is an idiotic proposal. Period. And the people proposing it thinking the state, and then the rest of the country will embrace it have no business holding elected office except maybe in the local whacky ward.


26 posted on 03/08/2006 7:32:12 PM PST by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: SheLion

That is the most complicated set of rules I have ever seen.

I'd claim ignorance and say, "No habla Ingles." and I'd probably be given a pass on the entire smoking thing.




27 posted on 03/08/2006 8:51:06 PM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen-caviar and cigarettes.)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 03/08/2006 11:21:03 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
it is not reasonable to expect another person to arrive."

Define "reasonable."

Weasel words.

29 posted on 03/09/2006 2:46:13 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: neverdem; SheLion; Gabz; Mears; Madame Dufarge
I'm no lawyer, but in most jurisdictions misdemeanors have to be witnessed by a LEO.

I think this will get squashed by the first person with deep enough pockets to fight it in court.

This is also more proof of my longtime contention that most lawmakers at all levels have nothing constructive to do and should be made to stay home for 11 months a year.

30 posted on 03/09/2006 2:50:16 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I love Jacob Sullum. He's been fighting the smoking Nazis for years. I don't believe he's a smoker.

Jacob Sullum

31 posted on 03/09/2006 2:50:45 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: doorgunner69

If you go out to Potrero Rd. and hike up Old Boney Mountain (From the Kanan Rd side or the Satwiwa park side), you get a view from the highest point in the county.

We spent a day up there messing around, and could see the huge L.A. smogbank drift through Calabasas, through Thousand Oaks and eventually out to the ocean... Then it seems to get sucked back in again...

Yeah, it's people smoking ya gotta worry about.... Jeeeez!


32 posted on 03/09/2006 3:08:51 AM PST by Son Of The Godfather
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To: metesky
This is also more proof of my longtime contention that most lawmakers at all levels have nothing constructive to do and should be made to stay home for 11 months a year.

My nomination for quote of the day! All of the states should be able to vote for such an initiative like that.

33 posted on 03/09/2006 3:13:17 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather
We spent a day up there messing around, and could see the huge L.A. smogbank drift through Calabasas, through Thousand Oaks and eventually out to the ocean... Then it seems to get sucked back in again...

Yeah, it's people smoking ya gotta worry about.... Jeeeez!

The world has gone nuts!  Here is a cartoon that explains a lot!


34 posted on 03/09/2006 3:42:52 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: BobS
One more thing, in that shopping center there where I eat lunch once in a while, women get a dear-in-the-headlights look when a man says something sort of "direct" to her:) Use your insight into the kind of men they work with!

Goodness!  Sounds like zombie heaven!!

35 posted on 03/09/2006 3:45:24 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: neverdem

This is bad. Very bad.

But what's worse is that there's many Americans (and some FReepers) who like these ideas. Who would love for this crap to go nationwide.

I've never even heard of a place called, "Calabasas."
I believe we'll be hearing that word a lot more in the next few years. It'll be where, they'll say, "It all started."


36 posted on 03/09/2006 4:03:25 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Son Of The Godfather; BobS
If you go out to Potrero Rd. and hike up Old Boney Mountain (From the Kanan Rd side or the Satwiwa park side), you get a view from the highest point in the county. We spent a day up there messing around, and could see the huge L.A. smogbank drift through Calabasas, through Thousand Oaks and eventually out to the ocean... Then it seems to get sucked back in again...

But. but, but.......I was just chastized that Calabasas has no smog! How can this be?

LOL, I lived in the west end of the filthy valley about 2 miles from there in the 70-80's. Foul smog in the summer. Now I live out in the exact area you mention, off Potrero, and avoid the valley like the plague.
37 posted on 03/09/2006 7:38:41 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: kingu
I am from Calabasas and EVERYONE is PISSED off about it. OUr goofy mayor Barry Groveman is out of control and trying to make a run for state assembly by attatching his name to something big. But everyone is upset.

Please come here and smoke. My wildly liberal friend and I finally agree on something, so we started a blog and we're trying to start a grass roots campaign to stop this insanity. thanks check it out!

Calabasas Chronicle

also e-mail Barry Groveman at

Calabasas@barrygroveman.com

38 posted on 03/09/2006 5:29:36 PM PST by QueenBee3 ("Phone's ringin dude.")
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