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Fight the mobile phone invasion at 30,000ft
Financial Times ^
| 3/28/2006
| Jagdish Bhagwati
Posted on 03/29/2006 7:39:52 AM PST by tellw
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To: null and void
How did all those calls come from FLT 93?
They were low and slow when the calls were made. It is not just a matter of altitude, but of speed. At cruise speeds, the transition to new cells is more than the system can handle.
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posted on
03/29/2006 8:59:36 AM PST
by
safisoft
(Give me Torah!)
To: kerryusama04
Yes - mechanically steered/aligned phased array antennae for in-flight reception. Obviously not an all-aspect receiver ;-)
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:00:34 AM PST
by
Blueflag
(Res ipsa loquitor)
To: stuartcr
I've always been told that cellphones and wireless devices mess up the airplanes electronics. How come, all of a sudden, it's going to be OK?
Most airliners are shielded.
I am an airline pilot for a major airline.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:01:05 AM PST
by
safisoft
(Give me Torah!)
To: TommyDale
See my previous post where I said people need to be re-educated on public manners. Whatever. Just leave my right to use my cell phone alone.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:02:57 AM PST
by
Spiff
("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
To: tellw
I just don't get the anger over cell phones. As annoyances go, they're pretty small.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:03:02 AM PST
by
Mamzelle
To: safisoft
So what is annouced, isn't really true? It's just a way to get people to turn stuff off?
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:03:59 AM PST
by
stuartcr
(Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
To: LiberationIT
The plan includes putting a small base station on board that communicates to the ground.
That is new to the debate - and a totally different issue. The crew will be able to enable or disable this.
Talking about a relay system is a marketplace issue. If the FAA allows cell phones in flight, and your aircraft does not have a relay, you won't be able to use your cell phone.
The airlines will discover quickly that the majority of their passengers do not want this kind of thing, and it won't end up being enabled for most of the flight anyway.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:05:02 AM PST
by
safisoft
(Give me Torah!)
To: NaughtiusMaximus
Agreed. Worrying about cell phone noise while traveling in coach on the average flight is like worrying about a leaky faucet as the tsunami bears down on your beach house. A person is lucky ever to have any small bit of peace and quiet in coach. The seats are small, they are all occupied, the to-ing and fro-ing is constant, and so is the noise.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:07:23 AM PST
by
Cecily
To: Petronski
You shouldn't call others "moron" while you are laboring under your own mistake of fact. The proposal is to put gear onboard planes that will permit cellphones to work normally at any altitude.
I am an airline pilot for a major airline. We know more about the subject that you can imagine.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:08:37 AM PST
by
safisoft
(Give me Torah!)
To: safisoft
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:11:17 AM PST
by
null and void
(Perhaps hating America is for those for whom hating Jews just isn't enough. - Philippe Roger)
To: LIConFem
If two people, both of whom were present (as opposed to one present and one on the other end of the phone), were having the same loud conversation, would you be as annoyed?YES.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:12:19 AM PST
by
technochick99
( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
To: safisoft
We know more about the subject that you can imagine. Still, it wouldn't hurt to read the article, skippy.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:13:34 AM PST
by
TankerKC
(Pull your head out.)
To: stuartcr
So what is annouced, isn't really true? It's just a way to get people to turn stuff off?
Remember when you used to have to turn your computer on when going through security? What was that about? Proving that 1). You had a power source for detonation; and 2). You had a timing device (system clock) for detonation. Was that it? The computers that DID work were more likely to be bombs than the ones that didn't!
Sometimes things change because of greater understanding, and sometimes things change because someone actually "gets a clue."
So do you think it is possible for a government agency to fudge on the truth because they just don't know any better, or any other reason they think sufficient? 'Nuff said.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:15:21 AM PST
by
safisoft
(Give me Torah!)
To: 1066AD
I hope it's never permitted except perhaps via some sound proof enclosure.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:16:35 AM PST
by
al_c
To: TankerKC
Still, it wouldn't hurt to read the article, skippy.
Yup. And we still know more than the morons reporting on this.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:16:35 AM PST
by
safisoft
(Give me Torah!)
To: garyhope
re: Don't get me started about noise. We live in an exceptionally noisy world. Many people don't even know what real silence or quiet is. Many don't want to know. )))
I hear you--but that's why I wonder why cell phones seem to annoy so much. They're just one more noise in a noisy place.
My own pet noise peeve was when I had the privilege of living for a short while in Hawaii, and spent every moment I could at the beach to listen to the ocean. Inevitably someone would show up with a boombox--
And I moved out to the country, and enjoy spending time in my garden next to a rocky stream. How I detest the stupid hobby pilots who buzz around pointlessly on every fine, bright day, right over my head--back and forth--
But a cellphone on a plane, on the street, even in a restaurant filled with talking people? No biggie.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:16:56 AM PST
by
Mamzelle
To: safisoft
I am an airline pilot for a major airline. We know more about the subject that you can imagine.Yet in this quote:
The simply truth is, they will only work for about 5 minutes before landing or about 3 minutes after takeoff.
you do not seem to know about the proposal to enable cell phones aboard planes for the entire flight.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:17:03 AM PST
by
Petronski
(I love Cyborg!)
To: technochick99; MineralMan; AxelPaulsenJr
Easy to say. And I don't doubt any of you. But I can't tell you how many times loud conversations on the train are tolerated while cell phone chatters are lambasted, sometimes by the very same loud "non-cell" talkers.
I loathe cell phones. The only reason I have one is so that my elderly mom can get in touch with me whenever I'm not at home. But much of this furor over public cell phone use is little more than the latest fashionable pet peeve.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:18:25 AM PST
by
LIConFem
(A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
To: Petronski
you do not seem to know about the proposal to enable cell phones aboard planes for the entire flight.
Actually, I do. It will be a supplimental device installed by, and controlled by the airline (and in the case of my airline, on my airplane, by ME). That is different from every individual pulling his cell phone out and able to use it at a whim.
The point is that individuals yanking out their cell phones under the sanction of the government is one thing that will not happen.
An airline, on the other hand that is subject to market forces to INSTALL and ENABLE such a relay device is entirely different - and will not happen. The fact is - if it gets out of hand and people start voting with their wallets - it will be disabled, or highly restricted.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:21:24 AM PST
by
safisoft
(Give me Torah!)
To: LIConFem
But much of this furor over public cell phone use is little more than the latest fashionable pet peeve.Fashionable? A peeve is a peeve. On this thread you have also seen discussed many other peeves. Fashions must either stick around for a long time, or a peeve is a peeve.
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posted on
03/29/2006 9:22:40 AM PST
by
AxelPaulsenJr
(More people died in Ted Kennedy's car than hunting with Dick Cheney.)
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