Might I suggest a nice 'gift package' from:
Posted on 04/30/2006 10:06:16 AM PDT by neverdem
dude where is the mega barf alert ?:-)
if you havehigh blood pressure take your medication before reading this screed if you dont have high blood pressure now you will after reading this bile
I am waiting to hear back from my source on the names of the candidates and the bad bills (not amendments) that the NRA has supported. If I don't hear from him today, I will see him Sunday morning at our meeting.
Get off your paranoid horse. I didn't mention the Brady Bill. I am talking about bills much more recent than that. I just don't have the links at my fingertips.
ping
Just because I make some comments about some of the bad things that the NRA has done, doesn't mean that I am anti NRA. It just means that I won't defend them when they are wrong. I criticize the actions of my own group when I think that we are wrong. We are a very effective group even though we don't have 4 million members and pay princely salariues.
We are all unpaid volunteers who care about and work to protect gun rights. We also have job, business, and family obligations that mean we aren't always sitting in front of the computer.
From the NRA-ILA website:
"Longtime Sen. Arlen Specter has been a reliable and capable advocate of firearm freedom and law and order. Over the past 24 years, he has cast more than 50 votes to uphold your freedom. This year he voted against the Kennedy hunting ammunition ban, against renewal of the Clinton gun ban and against federal regulation of local gun shows."
Gee, he voted against the renewal of the Clinton gun ban. Can you tell me why you had the mistaken idea he voted for the ban?
Citizens are disarmed and the crime rate climbs.
Easy pickings for the criminals.
Brought to you by government, which is not your friend.
I figured it was obvious, if not the well known name, then what followed the colon.
See post 69, sorry but I forgot to add your name.
If we clobber the GOP in Congress over illegal immigration and they loose control of either the House or the Senate,
say hello to Chairman Schumer.
We need to keep our focus, cuz if the Congress turns these
shysters will lose no time resurrecting the AWB, making
handguns impossible to own, and countless other outrages.
BTTT
We will fight forever agains those who wish to disarm the citizenry. Clueless idiots, all of them.
In 1993 he voted for the bill that gave us that ban.
He admits that he did. Why do you insist that he did not?
In 2003, he told a packed house that he would vote for the bill again if it came up as part of 'an important package' of bills, like an anti terrorist bill just moments after he told us that his earlier vote was a mistake and that the ban was ineffective and violated our rights.
There is nothing mistaken about that.
Do you know anything at all about Specter other than what the NRA tells you? He is always with us when we DON'T need him. His world view is not that of 90% of the people on this board or that of the NRA. He is a big government, tax and spend, pro abortion, self confessed gun grabbing, self serving liberal. What would the NRA or you support him? He may have some votes with us -- when he didn't need him -- but his overall score on pro gun issues with us is only 55%.
Is that what you consider a friend?
I was not able to make it this morning to the meeting so I do not have the information that I was looking for. I will post it when I get it.
I disagree that this is going to be significantly worse than what we have now.
So far in this discussion, you haven't linked to anything that supports any liberal views. You claimed he would vote for the renewal of the AWB and by the facts, he did not. You still haven't found any NRA rating for him. For all I know, he's rated a C minus over an F rated democrat. If the choices are between a RINO or losing control over a Republican Senate, it should be a no brainer.
You are the NRA guru. I couldn't find a link on their site and I told you that.
How can I link to a face to face conversation at a public meeting that wasn't covered by the media? He stood three feet away from me and told me that we would vote for it again as part of an 'important package' of bills. (He wanted to sign it, but needed the political cover of an 'important package' of bills, such as terrorism -- even though it was wrong to do it, ineffective, and a violation of our rights.)
He doesn't believe in the 2nd Amendment as the Founders intended -- as a means to defend against an overreaching federal government and I got him to admit that too. It's amazing how honest you can get people to be when you push them a bit. He gets angry easily when challenged and he lets his true feeling slip out. He's slick, but he's not slick enough.
But you need a freaking link to know that Specter is a liberal. If you are serious, you are even less reliable as a source of information than you think that I am. EVERYONE knows that Arlen is a liberal. Arlen admits that he is a liberal. The ACU rates him at 43% lifetime. How much lower does he need to score to prove to you that he's a liberal?
And how did any of these measures stop criminals or crazies from killing people. Oh the crazies might have to find other methodologies, such as gasoline, poison, natural gas (makes a powerful explosive), fertilizer and fuel oil, etc, etc. Criminals aren't obeying those laws any more than they did other laws.
You'll notice that this bag lady does not point to any decrease in deaths, just in "gun deaths".
Throwing out this rickety framework was a pioneering step for Australia alongside Canada, which was also overhauling its law in the wake of a massacre by an alienated and angry young man with easy access to military assault rifles. Both countries have experienced a drop in gun violence as a result.
How to explain the drop in crime in the US then, where so many states passed shall issue concealed carry laws, and the infamous Ugly Gun ban actually resulted in more of the types of firearms it was aimed at to be purchased, (just not so ugly ones)?
And how did any of these measures stop criminals or crazies from killing people. Oh the crazies might have to find other methodologies, such as gasoline, poison, natural gas (makes a powerful explosive), fertilizer and fuel oil, etc, etc. Criminals aren't obeying those laws any more than they did other laws.
You'll notice that this bag lady does not point to any decrease in deaths, just in "gun deaths".
Throwing out this rickety framework was a pioneering step for Australia alongside Canada, which was also overhauling its law in the wake of a massacre by an alienated and angry young man with easy access to military assault rifles. Both countries have experienced a drop in gun violence as a result.
How to explain the drop in crime in the US then, where so many states passed shall issue concealed carry laws, and the infamous Ugly Gun ban actually resulted in more of the types of firearms it was aimed at to be purchased, (just not so ugly ones)?
Since it already has done so, and at least in the General Assembly, has proved itself a collection of petty dictators, as soon as this bill passes, funding would cease.
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