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Judas Saves; Why the lost gospel makes sense (Christopher Hitchens)
slate ^ | Ap 13 06 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 05/04/2006 10:20:30 AM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: churchillbuff

Hitchens is a militant ATHIEST. Something he is PROUD of. I ignore him. Shake the dust from my feet so to say. Religion and espically Christianity offends him.


61 posted on 05/04/2006 11:00:18 AM PDT by therut
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To: NonValueAdded
Judas saves
but Moses invests?

And Mohammed profits.

62 posted on 05/04/2006 11:03:53 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: churchillbuff

Considering that conventional invasion would have precipitated nuclear war, Reagan was being as aggressive as possible without ending the world.

Your analogy just doesn't hold water. It certainly doesn't square with anything Churchill ever said or did, since Winston would have rolled on Moscow if he'd had the armor and other resources to do it.

That's why your screenname is such a sick joke.


63 posted on 05/04/2006 11:06:12 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Flavius Josephus; NYer; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; Raquel; Kelly_2000
Right before Passover, as the disciples are praying, Jesus sneers at their innocence.

My....that's a loaded sentence.

Not only does Hitchens not have Jesus praying with his disciples, but sneering as well.

Hitchens really is dealing with some inward problems.

64 posted on 05/04/2006 11:10:07 AM PDT by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: Petronski
I compare Hitchens to Stalin. Stalin wanted to destroy Hitler. Whatever Stalin's motives for wanting that, the result was an absolute good. In all other respects, Stalin was an evil being.

I suppose you could turn that around too.

I compare Hitchens to Hitler. Hitler wanted to destroy Stalin. Whatever Hitler's motives for wanting that, the result was an absolute good. In all other respects, Hitler was an evil being.

It gets confusing and while I agree that Hitchens has some deep seated emotional problems with Christianity, and especially Catholicism, he is not an "evil" man and comparing him to either Hitler or Satlin trivializes how totally evil both of those monsters were.

65 posted on 05/04/2006 11:10:11 AM PDT by Ditto (People who fail to secure jobs as fence posts go into journalism.)
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To: Fiji Hill

There's an important distinction to make. Stating that Jesus 'had' to go to the cross to atone for our sins or referring to us as 'Christ-killers' implies that Jesus had no choice but to go to the cross or that we took His life from Him. Not so--nobody took His life from Him. He laid it down of His own free will. He freely chose to lay down His life to pay the price for our sins. He did all the work, and it is finished. All we have to do is accept or reject it--on His terms, not ours.


66 posted on 05/04/2006 11:10:26 AM PDT by seanmerc
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To: Nathan Zachary

Judas worshipped the Nehpi. The Italian name for Angel and false God of the Catholic Church. The Muslims were ancient Moors that conquered Spain. Therefore Judas was Muslim before Muslims conquered ancient Isreal and later Rome.

Look it up.


67 posted on 05/04/2006 11:12:16 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Ditto
You've only posted part of my comments. Your post included this:

In all other respects, Stalin was an evil being.

But you did not include this:

He's still an evil person in many other respects.

Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say he was the same as Stalin, and in fact I used language stating that he was less evil than Stalin. Further, I never compared him to Hitler at all.

68 posted on 05/04/2006 11:15:33 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Hammerhead

Source???


69 posted on 05/04/2006 11:16:40 AM PDT by seanmerc
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To: Hammerhead
Actually, Mohammad's great grandfather established most of the pillars of Islam. Since Mohammad stole most of the pagan rituals of his grandfather's Ka'aba cult, you could say Islam was around before Mohammad in that sense.

Mohammad at first named his god Ar-Rahman, because the pagan Arabs were currently using the name "allah" for their special black rock and the fragments of it, al-Uzza, Al-Lat and Manat, allah's daughters, literaly chips off the old block.

Muslim have a hard time explaining why pagan Arab said things like "by allah, you are crazy Mohammad", and had names such as Abd-Allah. It wasn't until Mohammad slaughtered his own tribe that he took the name "allah" for his god, never mentioning Ar-Rahman after that. There are some poor attempts by later Islamic scribes trying to cover up these glaring facts written Ishaq.

70 posted on 05/04/2006 11:17:27 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: churchillbuff

There is another story with similar spin to the gospel of Judas. It is taught in public schools today and I personally was exposed to it mulitple times throughout gradeschool. Instead of targeting the gospels though, it targets Genesis. Instead of the serpent being evil he is the savior of man against a capricious god who witholds special knowledge from mankind.

Know what I'm talking about? It's a Greek myth. The myth of Prometheus, who steals fire from Zeus to give to man. It's a spin on the Genesis creation story so that the good and bad guys are reversed, shedding a good light on the serpent.


71 posted on 05/04/2006 11:18:44 AM PDT by dan1123
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To: Hammerhead

The Moors came long after Mohammad and where Mohammadanized before the conquered spain.

As far as your Nephi explanation, that's pure B.S. You are reading too many Catholic church bashing sites.

There was never a "Nephi" worshipped by the church at any time.


72 posted on 05/04/2006 11:24:58 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Petronski
But you did not include this: He's still an evil person in many other respects.

If I missed your point, I apologize, but I think you missed mine as well. Chris Hitchens is a flawed individual in some respects, just as we are all flawed. But I see nothing at all evil about the man.

73 posted on 05/04/2006 11:25:48 AM PDT by Ditto (People who fail to secure jobs as fence posts go into journalism.)
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To: Hammerhead

The word "Naphthar" means "cleansing". It was also called Nephi by some. So if you say early Christians cleansed themselves, I'm sure they did.

Read ambrose book 3


74 posted on 05/04/2006 11:32:50 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: nosofar

Well, this topic is something I happen to know something about and, believe me, Hitchens doesn't know. I happen to be a Christian believer and Hitchens obviously is not, and that might skew both of us, but I can unskew myself for a second and say with confidence, he still doesn't know.

I've always found it interesting that there are various obscure texts that surface and purport to be the "true teachings of Jesus," just as there are all kinds of groups that claim to have the "true teachings of Jesus," (Moonies, Muslims, Mormons, even a Hare Krishna that I ran into in the Appalachian mountains), and people lap it up, but to claim that the historic church and its scriptures, that go back to the time of Jesus' apostles, actually have the true teachings of Jesus, well, that just isn't possible.


75 posted on 05/04/2006 11:34:09 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (A twenty -dollar head of bananas.)
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To: churchillbuff
[ Judas Saves; Why the lost gospel makes sense ]

Was that before or after he hung himself?...

76 posted on 05/04/2006 11:36:57 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: churchillbuff
In the realm of Barbelo, it seems, earthly pains are unknown and the fortunate inhabitants are free from the attentions of the God of the Old Testament.

Wasn't that the 1960s sci-fi movie that Jane Fonda was in?

77 posted on 05/04/2006 11:41:23 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Ditto
But I see nothing at all evil about the man.

His writings about Mother Theresa would be Exhibit A.

78 posted on 05/04/2006 11:48:15 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Hammerhead
Judas worshipped AT the place called Nepthar.(which means purification) That's where you get this twisted tale from. Sorry, it isn't a god of anykind.

This place was named by Nehemias. It's a place were the Jews purified sacrifices with water supposedly made from fire from the temple which was hidden in a deep hole.

2 Machabees Chapter 1

You should stop reading that garbage at those sites.

79 posted on 05/04/2006 11:49:10 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

What a 'Machabees'?????


80 posted on 05/04/2006 11:51:08 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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