Posted on 05/06/2006 8:10:07 PM PDT by Amerigomag
Boxer won when Herschensohn was abandoned by his own party over a bogus accusation. Feinswine poses as a moderate, but we all know she's a crook and the GOP does nothing to expose it. Simon lost by only 325,000 votes after one of the most incompetent campaigns in history with 1.6 million Registered Republicans staying home and with his own operatives sabotaging the effort.
The reality is that with the choice between hard left and right, conservative issues do well. Conservative candidates have fared badly more because of their own party than anything else.
The package they just passed is very similar to those they have been talking about all year. Here are some comments that demonstrate this is NOT about infrastrucutre:
From the Desert Sun, March 19, 2006 :
Sen. Roy Ashburn, R-Bakersfield, said that the governor and lawmakers dodged a bullet by not passing a bond package that had become bloated and misguided so that only $9 billion of $50 billion would have gone for actual construction, by his calculations.Associated Press, February, 16, 2006
Assemblyman Rick Keene, R-Chico, said he was concerned the governor's plan would eat up the state's ability to sell other bond proposals for as long as 40 years. He also complained it provided too little in bond funds for transportation, flood control and water storage. "We've got only $13 billion going into what I think California thinks infrastructure is," he said.
He holds dual citizenship. You can't praise one without acknowledging the FACT the other exists.
And yes--I see it as a problem.
I don't believe one can honestly pledge loyalty to two countries. It causes both to come in question.
"Don't give us ‘California is a liberal state’ until you know what you are talking about. The problem is a gerrymandered legislature, not the voters."
When he wrote that it was addressed at me, I never said "California is a liberal state"
This is the kind of nonsense that ruins us here in California.
I am so conservative that I have never registered as a Republican because they are too liberal for me, I vote for them in every election because they are always the best choice to further my political interests.
I'm a McClintock man, in the 1994 revolution I was being paid by two campaigns and working for free for a third campaign here in Cal.
My two favorite candidates out here in recent times (besides McClintock, were Bruce Hershonson and Sonny Bono (if Bono surprises you, you never heard him in a debate)
Many of us are striving to salvage something in California, since we managed to passed prop 187, it hasn't gone too well for us.
If you want to help, please do but spare us conservatives your BS.
You are NOT quoting the curernt bond package, but some old potential ones, which are NOT what passed.
The current bonds:
"The $37.3 billion public works bond package that’s headed for the November ballot could impact where Californians live, how long it takes them to get to work, where there kids go to school and whether they’ll face flooding. The package, split into four ballot propositions that were approved early Friday morning by lawmakers, would generate $19.9 billion for highway, rail and port projects; $10.4 billion for school and university construction and remodeling; $4.1 billion for flood control; and $2.85 billion for housing, parks and transit-linked development."
http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=58342
The infrastructure is in dire need of fixing, and the Dems wouldn't have allowed it to pass, without the school and housing part. It's like, when you buy a pound of meat, but you have to take the bone.
It looks like 2/3 are going for useful stuff, such as roads and flood control. That's probably the best deal we could have with the Dems controlling the Legislature.
It seems like you are admitting you lost the rational argument, since you are resorting to personal insults.
What argument? I think you're confused.
Did you mean to post to me?
The current, smaller bond package IS all for infrastructure.
WRONG. Very, very wrong! The same still applies. Have you looked at the new ones? They are basically the same packages, FO. Go compare the Transportation provisions in AB 1838 to AB 134 to the current SB 1266. They are virtually the same when it comes to their lack of infrastructure. The most recent switch was to strip out the affordable housing, previously buried in the Transportation bill, and make it its own $2.850 Billion Proposition. They added in a couple Billion in the process. Providing loans to the poor, building women's shelters, and hundreds of millions for "park creation" is hardly "infrastructure."
You were hurling personal insults at ansel 12, hence my comment.
Wrong again, FO. I've read the ones that just passed Thursday night and summarized the bill numbers Here. I summarized who voted for what Here. Why not look at this thread, starting at about post #9 and see the millions for retrofitting buses and other NON infrastructure items. Or, go here to see the $135,000,000 in housing for farmworkers, so deceptively written that you have to look up existing code to figure out what pork they have hidden in here. All the posts are linked to the bond packages just passed, which will be on the ballot as Propostitions 1A through 1E.
The liberals trying to pass this garbage, along with the liberal MSM, would love to characterize this as "infrastructure." Thank goodness I can read and understand it for myself as I recommend everyone do.
Oh. And did you post anything to ansel 12 about his/her silly "spare us conservatives your BS" comment that was hurled at me from out of the blue? Or are you a hypocrite?
Nevermind. I don't care.
Have a nice life.
One good thing about these discussions is they remind us to get involved.
Weeks ago I said I was going to drive to another district to help Kaloogian against Bilbray, but I got too busy.
Now if I want to help, it has to be Bilbray, but the good new is he is a moderate that at least leans to the right.
Sometimes (almost always) this politics stuff sucks.
Your post 42 quoted old, incorrect stuff.
My post 46 quotes the very same numbers, you quoted in the other thread you referred to. So what is the problem?
I had my post where I said this is all for infrastucture (45), pulled by the Mods, because I realized that statement was incorrect.
"Oh. And did you post anything to ansel 12 about his/her silly "spare us conservatives your BS" comment that was hurled at me from out of the blue? Or are you a hypocrite?"
Sorry, I was typing away and by the time I got to the end I thought I was responding to Cary-Okies insult, sorry about that, my attention wandered.
"Housing and Emergency Shelter Trust Fund Act of 2006" and in the same square under those words, the following in 8-point type:"For the purpose of providing shelters for battered women and their children, clean and safe housing for low-income senior citizens; homeownership assistance for the disabled, military veterans, and working families; and repairs and accessibility improvements to apartment for families and disabled citizens, the state shall issue bonds totaling two billion eight hundred fifty thousand dollars ($2,850,000,000) paid from existing state funds at an average annual cost of ______ dollars ($_____) per year over the _____ year life of the bonds. Requires reporting and publication of annual independent audited reports showing use of funds, and limits administration and overhead costs. (The Attorney General shall fill in the blanks in this subdivision with the figures provided by the Legislative Analyst for the annual average cost of the bonds and the number of years required to retire the bonds.)"
That "conservative bs" comment wasn't directed at you.
I apologize, and to make it worse it seems to have set off a chain reaction.
Please forgive my mistake.
Schwartzenegger is a Republican FRAUD!!!
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