Lawrence of Arabia 'made up' sex attack by Turk troops

UK Telegraph ^ | 5/15/06 | Elizabeth Day

[wagglebee]

While this may be true, it is also quite probable that Lawrence was aware of homosexual rapes by Muslim captors.

[H. Paul Pressler IV]

Signs of Lawrence's alleged sexual deviancy first emerged when he admitted in letters to a friend that he paid a man to beat him with birches, to the backdrop of Beethoven playing on a gramophone.

Kinda, sick if you ask me.

[The Cuban]

Hey, sick, but could you have broken up the Ottoman Empire yourself?

[Clint N. Suhks]

Geeze!

Yet more post mortem supposition by members of the Film Actor's Guild to put perversion in the Kalifornia publik scrool history books. It's sickening.

[Moonman62]

Signs of Lawrence's alleged sexual deviancy first emerged when he admitted in letters to a friend that he paid a man to beat him with birches, to the backdrop of Beethoven playing on a gramophone.

That reminds me of A Clockwork Orange for some reason.

[Joe 6-pack]

"The tests revealed the imprint of a capitalised "A" on November 18 - almost certainly the A of Azrak..."

Indeed. "A" is such an infrequently used letter in our language, that would be my first guess as well....

[G.Mason]

(T E Lawrence) " ... admitted in letters to a friend that he paid a man to beat him with birches, to the backdrop of Beethoven playing on a gramophone."

I get the same (imagined) reaction when I inadvertantly hit a rap station while changing channels.

I know I'm no masochist. I don't like it.

[Skooz]

Reeks of revisionist nonsense.

[aynrandfreak]

My understanding of history is that he is responsible for the Saudis with their Wahabbist beliefs taking over Arabia. Perhaps we'd have been better served if the Ottoman Empire hadn't been broken up.

[dighton]

For what it may be worth, Seven Pillars describes an attempted rape by the Turkish Governor in Deraa, resistance to which earned Lawrence a terrible beating. From Chapter LXXX:

They splashed water in my face, wiped off some of the filth, and lifted me between them, retching and sobbing for mercy, to where he lay: but he now rejected me in haste, as a thing too torn and bloody for his bed, blaming their excess of zeal which had spoilt me: whereas no doubt they had laid into me much as usual, and the fault rested mainly on my indoor skin, which gave way more than an Arab’s.

So the crestfallen corporal, as the youngest and best-looking of the guard, had to stay behind, while the others carried me down the narrow stair into the street. ... The soldiers, now free to speak, warned me that men must suffer their officers’ wishes or pay for it, as I had just done, with greater suffering.

[H. Paul Pressler IV]

Without the break-up of the Ottoman Empire there would likely be no Israel and the Empire would now control all the oil on the Arab Peninsula as well as in Iraq.

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

I read the "Seven Pillars of Wisdon." A great book, and Lawrence was a great man. He also was probably a homosexual. There are passages in the book (also in movie) that provide some insight into this. Remember how much he mentors to two boys (one is lost in the NAFU and he goes back to save him-"Nothing is Written").

[Blue Jays]

Hi All-

Muslims were just as sadistic and violent then as now. If the rape didn't happen to him personally, I'm certain others met that fate.

~ Blue Jays ~

[H. Paul Pressler IV]

Or an after hours party at the Democratic Convention.

[Siena Dreaming]

The tests revealed the imprint of a capitalised "A" on November 18 - almost certainly the A of Azrak

This dooesn't seem a lot to go on to say definitively that he stayed at Azrak.

Lawrence was pro-Muslim and anti-West after the war. I used to think he was a good man...not so sure anymore.

[Alter Kaker]

Muslims were just as sadistic and violent then as now. If the rape didn't happen to him personally, I'm certain others met that fate.

Because non-Muslims never rape people or aren't homosexual? I'm not sure I understand your point.

[billbears]

Without the break-up of the Ottoman Empire there would likely be no Israel and the Empire would now control all the oil on the Arab Peninsula as well as in Iraq.

Of course we wouldn't have the continuous unrest that we have there now, and Iraq (a contrived nation) wouldn't exist either. I'm not sure how you can say Israel wouldn't have existed. The Ottoman Empire, as with all empires, would have eventually fallen from within.

[Bommer]

"It wasn't rape Lawrence! Its a matter of trust!"

[Zhang Fei]

Perhaps we'd have been better served if the Ottoman Empire hadn't been broken up.

It was breaking up on its own. The center could not hold - the Turks were having serious problems keeping the Arabs down. The Brits and the French tried to replace the Turks, but showed up at a time when their appetite for casualties was at a low ebb, following the bloodbath of WWI. The French lost three times as many military dead in WWI as Uncle Sam did in WWII - almost 1.4m people. The Brits lost almost a million dead in WWI.

The period after the Great War was not a good one in which to try to hold the European empires together, let alone expand them. But the alternative to expanding them was to let the Arab countries gain independence, which would have been profoundly destabilizing - it would have set a bad example for the existing British and French colonies. This may be why they had to step in - but their low tolerance for casualties and military expenditures in the post-WWI period ultimately doomed the effort, just as this defeatism set the stage for WWII.

[RichInOC]

Signs of Lawrence's alleged sexual deviancy first emerged when he admitted in letters to a friend that he paid a man to beat him with birches, to the backdrop of Beethoven playing on a gramophone.

Which piece? I'm guessing the Turkish March.