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Lawrence of Arabia 'made up' sex attack by Turk troops
UK Telegraph ^ | 5/15/06 | Elizabeth Day

Posted on 05/14/2006 10:17:59 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Zhang Fei
"Just because you look for oil doesn't mean it's there."

It's my understanding that there may be lots of oil in places difficult to extract for political and technical reasons; such as off the SE coast of the USA and off the West coast of Africa.

41 posted on 05/14/2006 12:19:30 PM PDT by Nova
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To: Nova

The diary began each entry with the dateline. It was customary to write down where you were:

Eg: Azraq, Oct. 14

Thus, its odd that the dateline begins with an "A".


42 posted on 05/14/2006 12:24:03 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: Zhang Fei
We went to war with Iraq to prevent it from completing a grab of Kuwait's oil reserves.

I do wish 'conservatives' would make up their minds about the causes of Gulf Police Actions I+II. Again, a threat does not necessarily exist if one nation or many nations are the suppliers of oil

Most of the easy finds are exhausted

Really? I can think of several places in the Western Hemisphere where oil has been found. However, pandering to an environmentalist mindset has prevented oil drilling

43 posted on 05/14/2006 12:24:46 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: wagglebee

Just seems like an awful lot to hang on the letter 'A'.


44 posted on 05/14/2006 12:28:46 PM PDT by cincinnati65 (Lucky participant in 189 different Nigerian business deals......still waiting on payment.)
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To: durasell
"Welcome to SimplyOttomans.com, the leading source for ottomans, coffee table ottomans, and novelty ottomans."

Is this a "battery" joke?

45 posted on 05/14/2006 12:29:10 PM PDT by Nova
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To: Nova

Ottoman Empire...online.


That said, I find it distressing that folks continue to discredit Lawrence. The guy was brilliant and weird in a way that people are not brilliant nor weird anymore. His translation of The Odyssey (under the name T.E. Shaw) is probably the most entertaining I've read. The Mint is a terrific odd read and so is Seven Pillars.



46 posted on 05/14/2006 12:32:54 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: ketelone

I did kinda assume that; and in that regard, it may have more meaning than many of us are giving it.


47 posted on 05/14/2006 12:33:08 PM PDT by Nova
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To: durasell

I'll check it out, but this book was loaned to me (out of print now) and it is very well researched. Michael Yardley even went to the middle east for his research and was able to uncover new material including unpublished letters. One can write a biography & be more honest than one who is writing about himself....especially in this case. T.E. Lawrence is a fascinating man.


48 posted on 05/14/2006 12:33:44 PM PDT by Feiny (Now go bang your heads on your desks until something useful comes out!)
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To: Nova

Of course, after a long night of his kinda sex, he might of thought it was April?


49 posted on 05/14/2006 12:34:17 PM PDT by Nova
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To: wagglebee
...to the backdrop of Beethoven playing on a gramophone.

Amazing. I didn't think they even had gramophones back in Beethoven's day.

50 posted on 05/14/2006 12:35:31 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: feinswinesuksass

Another guy you might want to check out -- if you're into brilliant/weird brits -- is Sir Richard Burton (not the actor). There's a book called Devil Drives.


51 posted on 05/14/2006 12:35:52 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV; wagglebee

Still doesn't negate what he was able to accomplish though.


52 posted on 05/14/2006 12:36:29 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

Still doesn't negate what he was able to accomplish though.




It does in the minds of many. In the Middle East he's routinely painted as an "employee" of the British gov't simply doing his job.


53 posted on 05/14/2006 12:39:41 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Well they can sugar coat it all they want, but the man definitely was able to accomplish what no other white man had before.


54 posted on 05/14/2006 12:41:11 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

For better or worse he changed the course of human history...


55 posted on 05/14/2006 12:42:57 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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For better or worse he changed the course of human history...

How? By tying down a few Turks in the middle of nowhere?

The Ottoman Empire was defeated the old-fashioned way: by hard-fought campaigns in the Caucasus, Mesopotamia and Palestine. Moreover, the Turkish Army was simply unprepared for a serious war (for example, see Edward Erikson's "Ordered to Die: A History of the Ottoman Army in the First World War", which is probably the best English account of the Ottoman Army in World War One). Lawrence only merits a single reference in the book, so trivial was the Arab revolt.

Lawrence was definitley a remarkable guy, but "Pillars of Wisdom" is a blatant bit of self-promotion. It should not be taken as an objective evaluation.

56 posted on 05/14/2006 12:50:44 PM PDT by Seydlitz
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

That would barely registor on the Kink-O-Meter in San Francisco.


57 posted on 05/14/2006 12:52:33 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Every vote for a Democrat is a vote for $10/gallon gas.)
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To: Seydlitz

He also planted the seeds of Arab nationalism.


58 posted on 05/14/2006 1:31:03 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell; Seydlitz
He also planted the seeds of Arab nationalism.

If by Arab nationalism you mean the existence of multiple Arab states that are not united, this is preferable to a united Arab caliphate.

59 posted on 05/14/2006 1:42:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

yep


60 posted on 05/14/2006 1:43:56 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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