Posted on 06/07/2006 7:53:33 AM PDT by johnny7
I think we will all concur that Kerry's continual obsession with this is well beyond "normal" psychologically. There is clearly something not right about the man.
Kerry's pursuit of this is wrongheaded, pointless, and counterproductive from so many different angles that you begin to wonder whether it isn't s some kind of private hell he's built for himself for some purpose we don't undertstand.
Maybe he just took too many acid trips.
JK signed the Form 180 to release "Navy" records to only Boston Globe reporter Kranish (who was JK's fawning biographer).
JK joined the Naval Reserves which is different than active duty regular Navy. Therefore it is likely there are additional records at US Military records in Nebraska. The records also may not include the release and discharge records. JK was "discharged" many years after his commitment time ran out. It is assumed that he received a Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) or a Discharge "under less than honorable conditions" because of his rather notorious anti-war rallying and attempts to negotiate with the enemy in Paris while he was still a member of the Navy reserves. He did not squawk about government harassment at the time, but the WH was not friendly to him and it would be reasonable and plausible that the Naval reserves and/or Navy took action against his treasonous conduct. The military has an Article 15 procedure that is basically off the record punishment. Later, when Carter became President and pardoned all the draft dodgers, he may well have cleaned up JK's records, upgraded his discharge and reissued the medals (they are dated under Reagan's Secretary of the Navy - Lehman?). All these records should be made public.
Dubya signed a Form 180 and the first thing media did was file a FOIA request for all records and they got them, and squeezed them and misconstrued them, etc.
The thing is: Dubya joined Air National Guard and JK joined Naval Reserves which at the time were considered alternative to the draft where you became an Army groundpounder. Many who chose those alternatives were trying to serve their country. I am sure that some (I believe a minority) joined as a way to avoid combat as NG and Reserves were not designed to go to war - even tho they did then and do so more now days. Any guard and reservist is just as valid of a veteran as anyone else, and media and anyone else who tries to divide them can GTH.
JK has cheapened the Silver Star and of course the Purple Heart since he insisted on receiving same despite not much injury and little valor. (Similarly LBJ got a Silver Star for riding a plane which went near some combat. Like a joke!)
JK also kept diary, journals, filmed his battles, went back and recorded his "exploits" on film, left his boat to get his Silver Star even tho commander should not leave boat.
Bottom line, Swift Boaters know what they were talking about and have never been discredited (just called liars by media, Lawrence O'Donnell, JK and McCain). JK has unlimited resources to run them into the ground for the rest of their days unless they just die or give up. Meanwhile media keeps chanting the mantra: Swift Boaters have all been discredited; they worked for Nixon and then Rove, they made it all up, etc.
JK was in-country 4 months, the first month spent training in safe zone.
I looked at some of his released records awhile back on this site, and a Navy guy told me that certain entries indicated that the person (JK) would not be considered eligible for reenlistment or whatever they do for officers. In other words, these records do neeed to be studied by an expert to translate what they mean. There is a lot more junk in there than "meets the eye". At first grance JK seems to have been evaluated OK, but I am told that the scores are really career killers. It takes a trained eye.
If JK wants to keep stirring this pot: Bring 'em on.!
Read my post #42 which I should have copied you on. Semper fi.
The author MUST demand that Kerry FULLY release his Form 180... and save his money for another run in 2008!
Kerry has used the war hero persona all his political life. Without that, he is a shallow, pompous wind bag who has earned his wealth the old fashioned way--he married it.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth: Some of the best money I ever spent.
A cunning nutcase who has parlayed it into being a wealthy US senator who ran for President and received the second highest vote total of anyone who has ever run for that office. There are plenty of examples where people have used phony resumes to fuel their personal ambitions. I agree, thank God for the Swifties, true patriots who are still paying a price for standing up to this jerk.
ROFLOL
Make the prick walk the plank
Keelhaul him
How about him becoming a weather vane off the yardarm
One wants to believe that a sitting Senator is at worst "just another politican," and that lying is part of the game. But with Kerry I think we're into serious delusional mode, and that - you're right - his "hero" status is so psychologically important to him (even if it's fake, and even if he knows it's fake) that he'll do anything to maintain it.
Without that, he is a shallow, pompous wind bag who has earned his wealth the old fashioned way--he married it.
Years ago I lived in Mass, and one of my friends was good pals with a Forbes family member, cousin to then Mass AG John Kerry.
It turned out he completely loathed cousin Kerry, so we'd deliberately talk about him just to get a rise from the guy (ha ha). He thought Kerry was "a fake Forbes", and that is an accurate quote. And he could barely discuss cousin John withour looking like he was sucking on lemons.
How about some freedom of info on the Carter/Kennedy pardon, disappear records gate - How about the documents that give the real records of your discharge???
That's the operative description, above all others.
Sociopaths and narcissists are known to share one dominating trait: an utter disregard for their fellows, and the belief that others exist solely to enhance themselves.
Kerry shows a pattern of using and abandoning others, from his actual and documented behavior in Vietnam; right down to his initial claims of political "support" from other Swifties, then turning savagely on over 200 of those Swifties when they objected to being used by him for political purposes.
The only Swifties who stuck with him throughout the campaign were those who were clearly on the payroll.
HUH?
He AND every liberal dimRAT and their henchmen, the MSM media fought to cover-up the truth of the charges....and to discredit REAL heroes
He secretly met with the God d***** enemy twice during a war! And after meeting with the enemy, his talking points were identical to those of the enemy! What the hell more does someone need to recognize a traitor?
Yep. I have to laugh when I read this stuff because Rove and the boys were taken completely by surprise when this thing surfaced and didn't really quite know how to handle it (except ignore it) through the entire election.
What the libs simply can't face is the challenge to their entire view of the Vietnam war and the fact that what they've come to regard as received truths weren't even true from the beginning. One of those is the idea of a noble, brave dissident veteran speaking out against the government. In fact, Kerry in particular was very much under the wing of Teddy Kennedy and his entire political arc since then depended on that original testimony.
One cold fact in particular appears to have been ignored by Kerry's defenders - that he absolutely must be incorrect about his alleged 1968 Christmas incursion into Cambodia ordered by the yet-to-exist Nixon administration that was "seared into his memory." This isn't a minor matter.
One who had deliberately concocted the false data to, from the get go, build himself up as a war hero that everyone would just sweep into office. He couldn't let go of it - it was the foundation of his life long goal...maybe to a point that he had even started to believe it all himself...
The funniest, and most pathetic, part of this whole thing is that Kerry brought it all on himself with that ridiculous salute and "Reporting for Duty" at the convention.
I wonder, had he not done that, if there would have been such a 'swift' outcry and bringing out of the facts?
Hoisted by his own petard - and he continues tightening the rope? Seems like the epitome of a "Crime and Punishment" scenario
It's always a gratifying experience... to see a meager investment provide such a healthy dividend. ;)
while still in the uniform - which, in the Constitution, is a jail for life crime -
Carter's very first day first act was to pardon this piece of cr*p
How about bringing that out with the records -
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