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The devaluing of human life (Nat Hentoff!)
The Washington Times ^ | June 12, 2006 | Nat Hentoff

Posted on 06/12/2006 5:05:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: GovernmentShrinker
So what? My grandchildren know what abortion is, they have attended the March for Life, each and every one and the oldest is 7. Their questions were the same as this youngsters, made up or not. I know that's anecdotal but I'll bet large majorities of kids ask the same questions. Like I said, sometimes the babes have wisdom. And when it comes to abortion they are far ahead of the ostentatious "pro choice" bs.
21 posted on 06/12/2006 6:09:58 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: 9999lakes
Nat Henthoff may be against capital punishment, but at least he's consistent. Though I disagree, I respect his point of view because of that consistency. I will never understand how some people can be pro Euthanasia, pro abortion, and anti Capital punishment. It makes no sense.
22 posted on 06/12/2006 6:18:10 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Try reading the article before you post)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

"But," said her son, "that means killing the baby."

This mother lost a good deal of her moral authority with this child when the 9 year old realized that mom was a self deluding crap artist.


23 posted on 06/12/2006 6:19:48 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: GovernmentShrinker



I still believed in Santa Clause at nine years old. I sure as hell didn't know what an abortion was. I didn't know what that was until I was like 11 or 12.


24 posted on 06/12/2006 6:21:22 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Try reading the article before you post)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I disagree. Same thing happened 2 weeks ago. Up at the cabin some of the adults got into a discussion about abortion. My 11 year old nephew said " Momma what is an abortion" Never forget kids have good hearing.


25 posted on 06/12/2006 6:32:26 PM PDT by therut
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To: GovernmentShrinker
You stood this strawman up for your aim: "I don't believe for a second that a non-retarded 9 year old from any literate family has never heard the word "abortion" and has no idea what it means." The story doesn't assert that the child heard the word first at that dinner setting. You're making a nice try at abortion apologetics though ... BTW, I have a nine year old granddaughter and she has heard the word but really has been protected from learning the horrors of what it is. Frankly, I don't think Nat is a liar, but from your insinuations, you call him a liar! Is that a wise move, especially at FR?
26 posted on 06/12/2006 6:33:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Amen. I am convinced that there would be many fewer abortions if children learned about fetal development and abortion young - before the age of eight or so. They see clearly then and their sympathies are with the baby.

If they become aware of these matters when they are entering adolescence, then their own sexual desires and political "sophistication" go on the death side of the scales.

Mrs VS


27 posted on 06/12/2006 6:40:20 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Mrs. Don-o

"Mommy, why would a mommy kill her baby?" "Well darling, da, blah, da, do, dah ahhhh."


28 posted on 06/12/2006 6:42:44 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Who's Santa Clause? The patron saint of grammar?


29 posted on 06/12/2006 6:47:33 PM PDT by opinionator
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To: GovernmentShrinker

My nine year old just learned what abortion was this last year. He is shielded - we don't have television, and we watch what we say in front of the children.

I can see an abortionist shielding her child from the ugly realities - the way pro-abortion people explain abortion to children is usually along the lines of sparing women an unwanted pregnancy - the children don't always make the connection. A baby-sitter once told my daughter that Bob Dole was bad because he wanted to force women to be pregnant - my daughter thought Bob Dole was a very bad man until she learned exactly what that meant. 180 deg. about face.

Nat Hentoff has never never set off my BS meter - and I don't always agree with him - I believe him to be a man of great integrity.

Mrs VS


30 posted on 06/12/2006 6:51:23 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: GovernmentShrinker
re: "I don't believe for a second that a non-retarded 9 year old from any literate family has never heard the word "abortion" and has no idea what it means."

I've met young teenagers who have no idea what the word means, so it is not surprising to me that a 9 year old would be unfamiliar with the term. (In fact, if I came across a 9 year old who truly comprehended the ugliness that abortion entails, I would feel sorry for that child.) BTW, how often these days do you hear pro-aborts use the term? They are much more likely to use the euphemism "choice" rather than say the word "abortion".
31 posted on 06/12/2006 6:58:00 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: opinionator
Free abortions for all liberals!

That's just about what's happening. We'd have a lot more Democrats in office if abortion were illegal, but instead all the Hillary types are killing off their own flesh and blood, and don't get a chance to fill their skulls full of commie mush.

-ccm

32 posted on 06/12/2006 7:01:16 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: ccmay; opinionator



I hate to say this, but if Mexican illegals could vote, they would overwhelming vote Republican. Mexicans are very conservative.


33 posted on 06/12/2006 7:09:45 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Try reading the article before you post)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

I understand that some people make a point of seeing that their children live sheltered lives, but if this woman was interested in "shielding her child from the ugly realities", she would hardly have brought up the topic at the family dinner table, with her 9 year old son and well-known (to be anti-abortion) columnist Nat Hentoff both present. Or am I to believe that Mr. Hentoff was boorish enough to raise this obviously contentious and sensitive subject at the dinner table, in front of his hosts' 9 year old son? Nope, I don't buy it -- if there's any truth at all to this tale, it's been greatly embellished.


34 posted on 06/12/2006 7:18:12 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: LauraleeBraswell; therut

Yes, but I expect your mother wasn't a physician (much less one who provided abortions), and your family didn't have people like Nat Hentoff over for dinner. I'm sure there are many kids out there leading very sheltered lives, however they're not only ignorant of many things, but also not likely to be quick on the uptake and confident of their opinions upon first hearing of something new, nor inclined to start arguing with their mother in front of an adult guest. Strong parental authority and sheltered child-rearing go hand-in-hand in my experience. Everything in this tale shouts "not a sheltered child" except for the mysterious exception of the word "abortion".


35 posted on 06/12/2006 7:26:16 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Nat wasn't at the dinner, he said he heard the story from the father. The child overheard something they said at the dinner table, and asked about it. There is no indication that there was a full-blown discussion of abortions at the table, just that the child heard the word and asked about it.

It could be the mother did NOT want her child to know what she did. Nat's story never says the son knew that she was performing abortions, just that he understood what she was saying was that abortion was killing babies.


36 posted on 06/12/2006 7:28:13 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: GovernmentShrinker
If you will take a moment to read the article you will note that Nat Hentoff is relating an incident that was told to him by the father of the child. Nat Hentoff was not at the dinner table.
37 posted on 06/12/2006 7:28:23 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: GovernmentShrinker
You just can't stop standing up these strawmen can you?

You have ignored the first line of the article: "A friend of mine told me of a recent conversation at his family's dinner table that keeps reverberating in my mind." Stop trying to make Nat out to be a liar with crap like "... if this woman was interested in "shielding her child from the ugly realities", she would hardly have brought up the topic at the family dinner table, with her 9 year old son and well-known (to be anti-abortion) columnist Nat Hentoff both present."

I realize your worship of liberalism and abortion specifically has you blind to certain things, but even you must be able to see how utterly foolish is your assertion in light of the very first line in the article!

38 posted on 06/12/2006 7:30:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; cpforlife.org; new yorker 77; Salvation; Coleus; firebrand; Silverback; All

Spread the word.

As part of a worldwide promotion of Melinda Tankard Reist's new book, "Defiant Birth: Women Who Resist Medical Eugenics

Mel will be presented by Nat Hentoff, of the Village Voice, at a US book launch wine and cheese party in New York City tomorrow, Tuesday evening, June 13 at 5-8 pm.

Event is free and all are welcome... so if you want to go, freepmail me.


39 posted on 06/12/2006 7:33:57 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: AliVeritas

Surely there's a web link to material on your new book, er, on Melinda's new book. Do you have it, the web addy I mean?


40 posted on 06/12/2006 7:36:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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