Britain falls out of love with America [Survey for The Telegraph.]

The Telegraph (Britain) ^ | 03JUL06 | Anthony King

[tonycavanagh]

re :They are too far down the wussy road.

What a pile of bollox you spout, for a start would some one in there lates 40s or 50s use the word wussey, which is a high school slang.

You know nothing about my country.

[WLR]

Tony, Please accept my apology for others lack of understanding.

I have served with Brit's, Aussies, New Zelanders, Canadians and bear witness all are good men, good allies, brothers all men of the West and deserving of our respect. As did my American Infantry Father (Airborne) from WWII and my name sake from the trenches in France in WWI (American Infantry) (who served alongside the British in the trenches of WWI).

Our Prayers are with you, your friends, their families and your Island. We are truly grateful for your standing beside us.

I assure that is true for the majority of Americans..

W

[CWOJackson]

"Bollox its a case of freepers hunting and searching the foreign press to find anything that might be critical of America and then you post it here."

I'm proud of the job that many willing British troops are doing but that statement...it's not exactly like anyone had to dig to find a Telegraph headline.

[newfarm4000n]

read my post. The British were sitting out 'nam unlike Australia that bravely stood with America.

[WLR]

Chief, Not sure how it is being allowed but I believe the enemies supporters are pouring money into the media. They are well aware regarding the importance of the press and perceptions.

W

[CWOJackson]

It can only be allowed if the public supports it. Bottom line, the Telegraph published an openly hostile attack on the U.S. for no reason whatsoever...let our friend in England correct the problem.

[tonycavanagh]

re :read my post. The British were sitting out 'nam unlike Australia that bravely stood with America.

What the f**k as Nam got to do with today.

We have troops serving along side yours in Iraq and Afghanistan, mates of mine are risking there life out there right now.

[tonycavanagh]

Sorry for getting all riled up, two mates of mine are being posted to Afganistan at this moment.

I trained both of them years ago. Just feeling edgy at the moment.

This article is not anti American, Its more a case that many people in Britain do not know where this war is going, many Americans feel the same.

In Iraq British, American , Iraq and other coalition troops are dying while the Iraqi politicians squabble over power.

In Afghanistan we have a resurgent Taliban, and the Drug War lords are also becoming more powerful.

And the latest articles about troop abuses true or made up are not helping.

[CWOJackson]

As far as I'm concerned the multiple lies they are printing about our President are anti-American.

[familyop]

newfarm4000n wrote:
"Australians died in Vietnam whilst the English were relaxing at home."

tonycavanagh wrote:
"Right this minute I wish you were standing in front of me making that relaxing at home remark, because then you will be picking your teeth of the floor and I don't care if this gets me banned."

And from tonycavanagh's FR page (bottom):
"Mel Gibsons film the patriot was a pile of cr*p, loved it when the British officer while wounded run Mel Gibsons all American priggish son through with a sword."

Those comments are priceless, tonycavanagh.

We dissolved one of the two empires that supported Hanoi against others for so long. Yesterday (the Fourth of July), the other wanna-be empire was humiliated by a result of its own imperial (fascist) pride, and we saw a glimpse of the state of enemy military technology.

As for the USA, we don't do empire. After being attacked, we help former aggressors to better keep their own countries and to trade with whom they will. The only kind of nationalism worth having is the kind seen through good deeds. Other kinds of nationalism are dangerous.

There will be times of emergency prompting mutual work, but we have some distance to go before mutual understanding.

I would compare the current situation between the USA and western European allies to that of a scrum, or better, yet, a lineup. Some chaos might be involved--at worst, by one in the lineup trying to run through the opposing line with the ball instead of getting it to a fast flanker and a ready wing. But with teamwork, it is possible for players in the wing, if they know each other well, to make the try.

We in the USA have partners in emergencies and even in conflicts. But for the most part, some western European countries continue to joust with their neighbors and to talk us (the USA) into various designs of empire.

[shalom aleichem]

Right. Australia has proven to be a good friend, as have the Gurkas and many others. I was painting with a broad brush, am not "liberal" and did not intend to disgust you. Sorry.

[familyop]

It appears that you made more comments, while I wrote and posted that last comment. ...took some time with that between tutorial sessions here (C++).

[familyop]

"Also many people over here are well read and do know the history of the Middle East."

That is one of the major points of contention between western Europe and the USA. ...worth resolving, IMO, even if it takes a long time.

Bookmark and try to read the following, if you will and might later have moments now and again for reading it. It's the other side of the story (omitted from most other texts and sites that I've read). If you follow the "history" drop-menu, you'll see a link to Mandate period history. But I enjoyed the earlier history more (essential, IMO).

No person or nation is always right.

Palestine Facts

[newfarm4000n]

What the f**k as Nam got to do with today.

We have troops serving along side yours in Iraq and Afghanistan, mates of mine are risking there life out there right now.

Don't resort to childish profanity. Nam proved that the Australians unlike the British stick with their friends even in unpopular conflicts. Like I said before ONLY AUSTRALIA has fought alongside America in EVERY major conflict since WW1. I guess Australia is simply not appreciated here on FR the way Britain is. GOD BLESS JOHN HOWARD.

[familyop]

"Sorry for getting all riled up, two mates of mine are being posted to Afganistan at this moment."

"I trained both of them years ago. Just feeling edgy at the moment."

That's understandable. Are either of them married? If so, it will be all the more, a hardship tour.

"This article is not anti American, Its more a case that many people in Britain do not know where this war is going, many Americans feel the same."

I respect that comment very much. I also wish that our US President had removed the squishy lefties from his ranks earlier on. But what was done was done. We are left with the truth that Afghanistan and Iraq are strategically located bases of operations from which to actually finish the guerrilla/assassin war. There are other countries involved. It's not as bad as it once was for all, you know. There was once a whole city of westerners' (including civilian children) heads put on pikes by the enemy, long ago.

And what is likely to happen in the future if we allow only diplomats to deal with the situation--to talk, talk more and allow the enemy to continue building his guerrilla forces (along with nuclear weapons, eventually) and managing incremental infiltrations. He is polygamous, and his religion also includes lying as a tool of quiet war during "peacetime."

"In Iraq British, American , Iraq and other coalition troops are dying while the Iraqi politicians squabble over power."

That's a result of our cooperation with the United Nations and taking advice from other nations. It's a way of avoiding being a "bull in a china shop" and a US "cowboy." Most US conservatives (classical liberals) would rather have occupied and denazified Iraq similarly to the old fashioned (post-WWII) way (but not with old heavy-intensity movements during fighting phases).

"In Afghanistan we have a resurgent Taliban, and the Drug War lords are also becoming more powerful."

Several enemy groups are taking hard, fast beatings now. I think things there will calm down again very soon, but we'll watch and see.

"And the latest articles about troop abuses true or made up are not helping."

...some true and some made-up. Tens of thousands of soldiers will always include a few who are, as we in the US have said, "ate-up" (or "heads not screwed on right"). And the enemy and our domestic traitors will always expect perfection from every one of our soldiers while refusing to hold the enemy to the same standards of perfection.

[familyop]

Maybe you'll enjoy (or not) the example of American crudeness behind the following link ("bowling for Muslims," as Abathar called it). ;-)

Pig's Head Thrown Into Maine Mosque During Prayers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1660556/posts

[The_Englishman]

I guess Australia is simply not appreciated here on FR the way Britain is

It's not a competition, Gentlemen. Australia is a fantastic ally of the UK as well as the US. God Bless the Aussies for their support.

We should all stick together instead of arguing amongst ourselves about who is "the best ally".

[Little Ray]

The Brits don't have to worry. We still love them...

[Little Ray]

The point of having an empire is not to have burdens, but to have power, profit, and tribute. If we're gonna be called an Empire, for Heaven's sake let us ACT like one... Ship Iraq's oil home, etc.

[Scotsman will be Free]

I hope so. I would love to see it.