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1 posted on 07/04/2006 7:38:53 PM PDT by nj26
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We'll see what happens.

But if the issue is not "resolved" by election day, it actually helps the Republicans big time, as they can rightly claim (in large part, at least in the House), that they are holding back a tide of new immigrants (both illegal and amnesty'd). For if Miss America takes over, all bets are off, as it's clear that Bush will sign the most immigrant-friendly bill that reaches his desk, even if only 10% of House Republicans (i.e., RINOs) support it.

The Dems well know this, and would just love to have the Republican base tee'd off at their own on election day (due to a signed amnesty bill). Unfortunately for them, the House hearings this summer may well scuttle that plan and the Dems may be forced to present ideas to the table, which, of course, they're incapable of. That is what angers them - they just saw their shot at power defeated.
55 posted on 07/04/2006 8:02:55 PM PDT by BobL
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forget the triggers.

this should be a border enforcement bill only.


65 posted on 07/04/2006 8:11:41 PM PDT by ckilmer
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Always, but always, follow the money trail, freepers.

Ken Mehlman must have informed the Prez and Karl Rove that the spigot to the RNC has slowed down to a trickle.

I know I must have answered about a dozen solicitation letters and half a dozen phone calls in the past three months with "thanks but no thanks, NO AMNESTY, ESTUPIDOS!"

I do put my own stamps on the return envelopes, however.

Leni

72 posted on 07/04/2006 8:15:55 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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So a graduated amnesty rather than a full on amnesty.

The courts will reject the no citizenship as "inhuman"

I say forget the whole legalizing concept.

THEY CAN USE THE PRESENT SYSTEM IF THEY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR TEN YEARS!!!!!!

THE PRESENT SYSTEM ALLOWS FOR LEGALIZATION IF THEY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR TEN YEARS AND THEY HAVE NOT COMMITTED ANY FELONIES (LIKE VOTING IN AN ELECTION)

IT IS A ROLLING AMNESTY THAT HAS EXISTED FOR DECADES.


There is no reason for a "blue" card or any other BS virtual amnesty.

The Pence plan seems just as much an amnesty because it coddles the illegals in SOME fashion.


83 posted on 07/04/2006 8:34:06 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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If Bush buys off on the Pence plan, it will be a big old waffle move by Dubya,but it will change nothing. The House still wants HR4437 to become law and will settle for nothing else.


85 posted on 07/04/2006 8:36:05 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Happy 230th Birthday, America!)
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Count the number of NG on the border.

So far, the actual number for June was less than 20% of the 'projected number'.

And catch-and-release is still going on.

===

The Admin has little credibility on border related issues.


92 posted on 07/04/2006 8:40:04 PM PDT by TomGuy
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Let's not underestimate the impact this debate would have had on the results of the Mexican election. Now that the ballots have been cast, we can talk more openly about enforcement first options.


96 posted on 07/04/2006 8:41:11 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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The Pence plan is amnesty.


102 posted on 07/04/2006 8:45:34 PM PDT by kabar
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Well if I was NK, I would really be worried.


123 posted on 07/04/2006 9:05:59 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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"Good news if true..."

Agreed.

135 posted on 07/04/2006 9:13:58 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ann Coulter = The Conservative Diva)
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ENFORCE FIRST!!!!


142 posted on 07/04/2006 9:16:32 PM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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"Mr. Bush has repeatedly said he favors legislation like the Senate's immigration bill, which establishes border security, guest worker and citizenship programs all at once."

And thankfully, absolutely nobody bought into Bush's double-talking little shell game.

Today, (July 4th), I drove past a little lake near my home town. For as long as I can remember this lake, with its little sandy beach and grassy field, it's been a perfect summer gathering park for local citizens and families. Not anymore. Today I saw around 1,500 hispanics gathering there, which is approximately 1,000 more people than the park can safely and reasonably handle. I saw no local citizens or anyone who even remotely looked American. They were speaking Spanish, blaring Spanish music, and many of their cars proudly displayed signs like "Puerto Rico", "Mexico", etc. Not a single American flag was being displayed, and in spite of numerous signs prohibiting grille fires, they were all cooking on open fires, and for all the world it looked as though I were traveling through some festival in Mexico.

200 posted on 07/04/2006 10:01:34 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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Well, about time.
I stopped contributing to the GOP and told them they would not see a penny from me until the White House adopted a more stringent position against illegal immigration. Not that I contribute millions, but every penny counts!


213 posted on 07/04/2006 10:16:20 PM PDT by republican4ever (Freedom isn't free... and someone has to pay the price. Too bad not everyone is willing.)
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My take on the Pence "Not Amnesty" plan:


"I want a car, any car is fine as long as it's not a red car."

"Here's the perfect car for you!"

"It's red though! I said no red cars."

"It's not a red car. A red car is a car that is red all over. The tires are black and the rims are chrome, so it's not a red car."

"You are retarded."


247 posted on 07/04/2006 11:00:30 PM PDT by TZolf
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Republicans both inside and outside the White House say Mr. Bush, who has long insisted on comprehensive reform, is now open to a so-called enforcement-first approach that would put new border security programs in place before creating a guest worker program or path to citizenship for people living in the United States illegally.

He's always wanted amnesty, but now he's worried about his legacy.

261 posted on 07/05/2006 12:51:07 AM PDT by Penner
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"The question now is whether President Bush will be able to find that middle ground in time for the midterm elections. Mr. Cole, the Oklahoma Republican, was not optimistic.

"Our people would like to have some sort of solution," he said, "but my instinct tells me this is much more likely to be a post-November, or a 2007 kind of deal than it is to happen between now and then.""

Are we to assume that the House will go ahead and open the borders and grant citizenship, but just not before the Nov. 2006 elections? I've seen so many statements that make it seem as if immigration will open up, but just not NOW. Anyone have any thoughts on this?


274 posted on 07/05/2006 9:07:53 AM PDT by Joann37
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Bush will say what has to be said to fool GOP Congressmen and women, and as soon as that's done, he'll ram amnesty down our throats. I fear they will cave in from all the pressure. Pence's bill is amnesty "light" and just another way to try to fool Americans. Even if they send Mexicans back home and then let them come right back in and get amnesty. They can call it what they want, but amnesty is still amnesty. It doesn't make any difference how they get it. The bottom line is that Americans get screwed!!!
277 posted on 07/05/2006 1:34:06 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (NEVER ARGUE WITH IDIOTS!!! THEY*LL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE!!!!)
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btt


280 posted on 07/05/2006 5:00:23 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.)
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Excellent news, if true...but this is from NY Times, so I neither trust the information, nor the motive for reporting it.


282 posted on 07/06/2006 9:32:52 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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