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Universal health care plan approved in San Francisco
ap on Riverside Press Enterprise ^ | 7/18/06 | Lisa Leff - ap

Posted on 07/18/2006 5:47:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge
Stupid people.

Employers will drop their health plans to let the city take care of it - they are stuck with the bill either way. In addition talented health care providers will leave the city to get more lucrative work elsewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if many simply setup their offices outside the city limits and abandon the city altogether.
41 posted on 07/18/2006 6:17:35 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: NormsRevenge

What's the cost of having your sphincter sewed back up nowadays?


42 posted on 07/18/2006 6:19:33 PM PDT by toddlintown
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To: So Cal Rocket

"$200M / 744,000 (population of SF) = $269/person in medical expenses... uh huh..."

Need to change the divisor. This is not for all SF resident's only those without health insurance. Even with that change, it's not enough.


43 posted on 07/18/2006 6:20:34 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: So Cal Rocket
So if the population of SF is 744,000, then health expenditures would be expected to exceed $4.6Billion. A tad higher than $200Million.

Laugh. If I remember correctly, Medicare was only going to cost $6billion when it was implemented. There was NO way the Dem senators could see it going higher than that.

What is it now? Last I heard, several years ago, it was $135 billion?!?!?

Thats where this brain-dead maroonitude is heading.

Standard old Dem tactic. Low ball it to get it started, then blame others for cost increases.

44 posted on 07/18/2006 6:20:39 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Middle East Interactive Map: http://interneticsonline.com.dish5009.net.ibizdns.com/MEMap.html)
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To: 45Auto

"These psychopaths are really over the edge. What this means is, that every rotten, disease-ridden, mentally deranged, drug infested bum that stumbles into town will now be taken care of in grand style by the already overly taxed business interests in this once nice, but now rotten, city. The only silver lining is that the rest of California will now be able to watch the bumbling morons (like Ammiano) run San Francisco into the bankruptcy courts. I pity the over-worked medical personnel in San Francisco General. I predict the place will go belly up within two years."

Possibly, but SF has had conservative mayors, like Frank Jordan. He did a great job cleaning up the city, cleaning up the parks, getting the homeless off the streets, and brought business back...which was promptly destroyed under the reign of Willie Brown and the pansy.

We may see the pendulum swing back the other way, with the way the City Council is acting. A lot of very pissed off homeowners and businesses have a way of getting rid of these idiots every once in a while.

These idiots have talked about doing away with private ownership of property, too. I expect that's next - and if they are stupid enough to try it...it could get ugly.


45 posted on 07/18/2006 6:22:18 PM PDT by ByDesign
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
I hope 200,000 illegals decide to move to San Fran. Watch it become a ghost town in 5 years.
46 posted on 07/18/2006 6:23:22 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

You're a Mexican in Tijuana. You've got diabetes or heart disease, but not much money. You hear through the grapevine that you can get American hospital care even for non-emergency treatment if you can make it to the city limits of San Francisco.

How much debate do you put into your future travel plans?


47 posted on 07/18/2006 6:23:30 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: NormsRevenge

...and when the crunch comes, it'll be somebody else's fault. Probably George Bush's.


48 posted on 07/18/2006 6:23:34 PM PDT by Grut
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To: NormsRevenge
The Peoples Republic of San Francisco. Bless their little pink hearts. I just love their view that all they need to do is "to offset the estimated annual price tag of $200 million"

In your dreams SF. It's going to cost a lot more than that. The homeless will spend that much. Don't know whether to laugh or cry. OK, I'll guess I'll laugh.

49 posted on 07/18/2006 6:26:21 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: NormsRevenge

SF is as good a place as any for a test case of this system. It should be interesting watching the resulting meltdown. Let's hope SOMEONE takes notes and learns from it.


50 posted on 07/18/2006 6:27:12 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ByDesign

>>>>We may see the pendulum swing back the other way, with the way the City Council is acting.

It isn't often a social program gets phased out once the can of worms is open.


51 posted on 07/18/2006 6:28:33 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: NormsRevenge
firms with 20 or more workers would be required to spend $1.06 for each hour worked by an employee

Small businesses are all preparing to divide their companies into 19 or less.

52 posted on 07/18/2006 6:30:53 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: Dog Gone
So in 2 years when they find that they're spending MUCH more than projected, what do they do?

1) Make businesses pay more.
2) Make Doctors/Hospitals charge less.
3) Increase property/other taxes
4) All of the above.

53 posted on 07/18/2006 6:32:41 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Middle East Interactive Map: http://interneticsonline.com.dish5009.net.ibizdns.com/MEMap.html)
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5) Recruit more illegal immigrants to over bill Medicaid and collect monies from the rest of us.


54 posted on 07/18/2006 6:35:53 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Probably 4), and it will never occur to them why they suddenly have the highest percentage of sick people in the country.

You ALWAYS get more of what you subsidize, and less of what you tax.

Lots of sick people, less businesses.

55 posted on 07/18/2006 6:37:31 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
You ALWAYS get more of what you subsidize, and less of what you tax.

BINGO!

56 posted on 07/18/2006 6:42:03 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Having a Kerry/Edwards bumpersticker on your car is like having "Born Loozer" tatooed on your arm.)
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To: NormsRevenge

My understanding is that federal law prevents state and local governments from mandating what health insurance employers must provide their employees. As such this law would presumably be thrown out under the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution.


57 posted on 07/18/2006 6:44:31 PM PDT by Moral Hazard ("Matt Damon" - Matt Damon)
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To: metmom
iSF is as good a place as any for a test case of this system. It should be interesting watching the resulting meltdown. Let's hope SOMEONE takes notes and learns from it.

You forgot that liberal programs never fail. They just get underfunded...

58 posted on 07/18/2006 6:51:35 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: metmom

True. When I was practicing law in another western state, we always knew to check California cases and regulations to see if some scheme proposed in our state had already been tried there. Usually it had. We joked that California was the Life Cereal "Mikey" for the nation: we could get Mikey to try something we didn't dare ourselves. Saved us a lot of money and grief, letting CA take the plunge first. Now that I are a Californian, it ain't so funny.


59 posted on 07/18/2006 6:52:27 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

Welcome to FR!


60 posted on 07/18/2006 6:53:18 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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