The "Yukos Affair", its Motives and Implications

CES ^ | August 2006 | Wojciech Kononczuk

[romanesq]

Okay so you gave a pass to the Chekists but you condemn a daughter for any sins of the mother. No conviction notwithstanding.

How convenient.

[GarySpFc]

Christian = former Chekist. I suspect you are not a Christian, and therefore would not understand the following. "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! NIV 2 Co 5:17

[M. Espinola]

"A Christian stands up for truth" even when it goes against his views."

Is pitifully peddling Putin propaganda in such a public way via Internet news forums now termed "a Christian stands up for truth",? Talk about the abrupt metamorphosis of the English language!

Next there will be 'Christians for Putin', and 'Hindus for Putin', 'Peruvians for Putin', Yo, maybe even, 'Morons for Putin'. It truly is amazing just where Col Putin, the #1 neo-Soviet arms seller for the Expanded Axis of Pure Evil, has always willing spokesmen.

"Belarus is the only former Soviet republic that did not get higher rates from Moscow last year, The Associated Press reported."

The obvious answer to why Belarus (White Russia) gets preferential energy pricing treatment from Moscow'S leading energy czar & CEO....

The Tyrant Twins

[romanesq]

Gary, you are going off a path that only you know why. Why suspect anything about my religious beliefs in the first place? But yeah, you're right, I'm not a Christian, I'm Catholic.

And I met a nice Russian girl last night from the Urals. I hope to see Anastaia again real soon. What a sweetheart. :)

Sorry, your reference to the Soviet thugs, re: Chekist/NKVD = Christian is not a comprehendable reference. Those thugs don't reform with all that blood on their hands. They are not with, in or of Christ.

Can you please leave my personal beliefs out of the thread? I'm not running for election here. Who do you think I am George Allen. :)

[GarySpFc]

For your information I consider Catholics Christian. The point you do not seem to grasp is that if a man is a genuine Christian, then his past sins are forgiven and his past is gone. The Apostle Paul prior to being a Christian committed recorded sins far greater than Putin, and yet no one would consider him as being evil. His nature to do evil had changed. Putin is on record as being a Christian, and even prior to the fall of the Iron Curtain voiced his view that the government and KGB should be more open to religion.

[GarySpFc]

Apparently you have never heard of John Newton and the song he wrote, "Amazing grace."

John Newton recalled leaving school at the age of 11 to begin life as a rough, debauched seaman. Eventually he engaged in the despicable practice of capturing natives from West Africa to be sold as slaves to markets around the world. But one day the grace of God put fear into the heart of this wicked slave trader through a fierce storm. Greatly alarmed and fearful of a shipwreck, Newton began to read The Imitation of Christ by Thomas à Kempis. God used this book to lead him to a genuine conversion and a dramatic change in his way of life.

Feeling a definite call to study for the ministry, Newton was encouraged and greatly influenced by John and Charles Wesley and George Whitefield. At the age of 39, John Newton became an ordained minister of the Anglican church at the little village of Olney, near Cambridge, England. To add further impact to his powerful preaching, Newton introduced simple heart-felt hymns rather than the usual psalms in his services. When enough hymns could not be found, Newton began to write his own, often assisted by his close friend William Cowper. In 1779 their combined efforts produced the famous Olney Hymns hymnal. “Amazing Grace” was from that collection.

Until the time of his death at the age of 82, John Newton never ceased to marvel at the grace of God that transformed him so completely. Shortly before his death he is quoted as proclaiming with a loud voice during a message, “My memory is nearly gone, but I remember two things: That I am a great sinner and that Christ is a great Savior!” What amazing grace!

Here we see a man who lead as despicable life as anyone, and yet God changed his heart and nature.

[romanesq]

Gary,

The humor may have been lost in the old joke about Catholics saying they aren't Christian, they're Catholic.

Let me tell you on the scale of persecution, well ole Saul made some progress and laid some path to his new work as Paul. As for Putin, you can defend him if you choose, I'm not certain why you chose to cite him, but hey, I know Paul and Putin ain't no Paul.

I would tend to agree though with Putin's wife. She called him a vampire.

[romanesq]

Gary, with all due respect don't be offended and I mean none when I disparage this song.

If there's one song I don't care to hear one more rendition of in my lifetime, it's that one. I've even muted my TV when someone is doing it.

Now God's grace. That's an entirely different matter and I agree wholeheartedly.

[GarySpFc]

Name one evil thing he has done?

[GarySpFc]

You amaze me.

[romanesq]

You want only one? Well I'd be afraid to do that and then we'd have another line of discussion far off the path.

But let me say that I find the control of basic freedoms in the press to be evil.
But that's just me.

[romanesq]

Ah gee, thanks but I'm hoping I hear that from Anastasia. :)

[GSlob]

"...You're really something else... What nerve.."
Well, our resident kegebuns and their kegebuchie fellow-travelers do serve a purpose, even two useful purposes:educational and entertaining. In a sense, one should be grateful to them for bringing the enemy up close, for otherwise the educational function would become more difficult. Just like the north korean embassies put out their PR materials, choke full of so exaggerated cult of "dear leader" that they become a kind of printed comics - and a must read comics, too, and highly educational. Ditto here, but on a bit different level.

[M. Espinola]

"..Our resident kegebuns and their kegebuchie fellow-travelers..":)

[M. Espinola]

"Putin is on record as being a Christian.."

Would a real Christian be arming all of America's & Israel's worst enemies?

Russia, under your comrade Col Putin has openly unified with the anti-Western barbarians of the Axis of Evil, yet as an 'American' citizen that fact does not in the least alter your blind, fanatical devotion to that KGB thug. There has to be a reason. Why would any American serve a power mad Kremlin tyrant?

Maybe it explains you having absolutely no shame whatsoever in continuously stating the most obvious, vile Russian propaganda on FR.