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67th anniversary of the Soviet invasion on Poland (see pictures)
Poland.pl ^ | 2006-09-17

Posted on 09/18/2006 2:26:03 PM PDT by lizol

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To: vox_PL

If Russia ever returns to imperialistic policy of the Soviet Union and tries to wipe Ukraine out from the map of the world, she will return to cold war again.==

Soviet Union and Russia are totally different entities. They cann't coexist. When Soviet Union reigned there were no Russia.
If you not noticed that Soviet Union was rulled by no Russians at all. Just out of your curiosity check the ethnic backgrounds of all soviet General Secretaries.
You'll find that except Gorbachev they all were not Russians. There were Georgian, 2-3 Ukranians, half Jew and so on. Why that if we all know that Poland was rulled by Poles the communists? Won't you deny that Jaruzelskii or Gerek were ethnic Polacks?

But Soviet Union was rulled by no Russians. That is the matter of fact.

FYI today Russia is the national state of Russians and few allied ethnicities. She no need no Ukranians and others. I think Russia needs to depart some more festered lands. Like muslims of Caucausus. Russian will be cleaner without them.
But it is the deal for future presidents.


81 posted on 09/23/2006 12:59:32 AM PDT by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: vox_PL
If Russia had abandoned her imperial tendencies in her relations with other Slavonic countries, we would have had the Slavic Empire. But how to unite now, how to integrate if this means conquering and losing the national identity and of the smaller countries like Ukraine or Poland. Perhaps one day a wise ruler in Russia appears, who knows, who knows...

1. "abandoning imperial tendencies" & "Slavic Empire" sound to me as two contradicting points.

2. "Perhaps one day a wise ruler in Russia appears, who knows, who knows"

This leads to the idea that Russia is proposed to play one of key roles in creating and functioning of the proposed union or state. Why should it? Is the proposed entity possible without Russia and why yes or no?

I think your idea needs expanding to show why the states (peoples) unite, and what charteristical features will the proposed entity have.

83 posted on 09/25/2006 10:44:27 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior
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To: vox_PL
I was only considering the possible ways of coexistence for Slavonic nations, with and without Russia hegemony. All I wanted to say is that history teaches that any unions among Slavs are impossible and sooner or later lead to conflicts.

Look at the nations speaking languages of the German group - the Danes, the Dutch, the Germans and Scandinavians. They have never united as Slavic nations haven't either.

It seems you don't accept merging nations (e.g. if the Polish, the Czech and Slovakians merge re-creating Western Slavic ethnicity back again), so the present EU membership with open borders, means exactly you want to achieve.

85 posted on 09/25/2006 11:56:42 PM PDT by Freelance Warrior
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To: vox_PL
Two nations living on the same territory for ages and suddenly they want to take divorce for this or that reason. Who will stay home and who will have to go away? War is imminent! ...and I don't like wars.

That's a problem of any multiethnical state. Traditinally it's solved with sword.

Another solutions took place in after WWII history only.

87 posted on 09/26/2006 3:33:47 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior
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Addition: and those alternative decisions were an affect that the leading ethnicity were ready to retreat.


88 posted on 09/26/2006 3:35:27 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior
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I have tried to study the history of Poland and it is very confusing. I am unaware of any other country which as lost and gained land so many times. Just trying to keep track of their borders in the past 100 years is enough to give me a headache.


90 posted on 09/26/2006 4:07:49 AM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: vox_PL
By the way, ask Serbs and Croats if they could live together again on the shared territory.

I think they both would answer you answer with Kalashnikow, or , at best, showing you their middle fingers :-)

That's nothing new to me. That's the case since the end of XIX century. Probably, even earlier, I just don't know.

But there's a more interesting question to ask:

Would you, as a Pole, like to live in a shared state with Czechs and/or Slovaks?

1. Alike languages,

2. Same religion (not the case of Serbs and Croats),

3. Similar cultures, I presume?

93 posted on 09/26/2006 5:09:21 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior
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To: vox_PL
That's why I prefer to live in current ethnically homogeneous Poland.

Something makes me think that Joseph Stalin will hardly get his "thank you", for this.

94 posted on 09/26/2006 5:56:30 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior
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To: vox_PL
I hope I made it clear now.

Ok, if you don't like this topic, let's quit discussing it.

96 posted on 09/27/2006 7:19:20 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior
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97 posted on 09/27/2006 7:24:07 AM PDT by firewalk
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