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America, 300 Million Strong
Cato Institute ^ | October 13, 2006 | Daniel T. Griswold

Posted on 10/17/2006 11:19:55 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Heartofsong83

With that many people, this would be a nightmare society - traffic jams, people piled on top of one another, psychological problems, our historic and nature areas destroyed, etc. Many areas of the country simply do not have the water supply to support a community.


23 posted on 10/17/2006 2:22:43 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Well stated.

With growth of population, comes also greater government interference in our lives.

24 posted on 10/17/2006 2:24:26 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: ravinson

Very few babies born to welfare mothers and illegal immigrants grow up to pay their fair share of the nation's total tax bill. And most of them grow up to produce more than their fair share of the next generation of babies.

Where did I defend immigration laws that keep out skilled German workers who could fill positions that employers can't find Americans to fill? The only point I made about immigration laws is that out-of-control breeding in third world countries leads to out-of-control illegal immigration. Though the issue of a shortage of American workers to fill skilled positions is really specious. If we spent half the money on retraining displaced American workers, that we spend "saving" crack babies born to women who should have been sterilized after they popped out their first crack baby, and educating the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th children of people who have never made a net financial contribution to our country and have never paid the full tab for even ONE of their children, there would be plenty of American workers with the skills employers need. Companies would be a lot more willing to finance the training of workers they need, if they weren't having 50% of their profits confiscated in taxes, with a big chunk of that going to subsidize the continued overbreeding of people who are incapable of and/or unwilling to be trained for meaningful work.

If you want to see how "productive" people are in countries where they breed like feral cats, I suggest you pay visits to places like Somalia and Nigeria and Malawi. More babies does NOT equal more productive adults.


25 posted on 10/17/2006 4:45:23 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Dante3

The country was originally designed for 500 million. It was a lot quieter when there were 150 million--must be said.


26 posted on 10/17/2006 4:48:03 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

Hell, everything was quieter until the hippie b@$tards came along. Them and their pot-smoking, communist filth are repsonsible for the majority of the woes we have in the world today.

Between 150 million with the Communist, Biggovernment mindset and 500 billion with a traditional hard working, God fearing patriotic ethos, I'll take thee 5 any day.

The problem isn't numbers, it's ethos.


27 posted on 10/17/2006 5:34:13 PM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: Killborn
everything was quieter until the hippie b@$tards came along. Them and their pot-smoking, communist filth


28 posted on 10/17/2006 5:37:08 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: ErnBatavia

Heh. Thanks. I hate how they are trying to dull, corrupt, putrify, and enslave the sharpest minds, bodies, and ideas ever to have come in the world. F**king scumbags.


29 posted on 10/17/2006 5:41:20 PM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: Dante3
Are you the one who put overpopulation in the keyword list?

The United States has plenty of space. Assimilation should be worked on, along with natural increase.

30 posted on 10/17/2006 10:46:44 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Sidebar Moderator

Shouldn't this article be in the front page or breaking news?


31 posted on 10/17/2006 10:47:33 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Dante3

Sorry. Apparently you have friends in the overpopulation group, all candidates for the keyword.


32 posted on 10/17/2006 10:49:10 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

You know, not everybody is a pastoralist. One family on a few acres is excessively huge in some parts of the country.


33 posted on 10/17/2006 10:51:12 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Heartofsong83
Natural increase should grow (how about outlawing abortion for all non-fatal-life-threatening reasons?), but natural increase and immigrants have been dual engines of growth throughout this nation's history. Work should be done on assimilation (both ways, the immigrants becoming Americans; the American natives acknowledging that Americans can come in more varieties than the European/African-descended ones (and Amerindians, statistically tiny)).
34 posted on 10/17/2006 10:54:44 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Heartofsong83

P.S. A billion Americans could help protect the United States from other countries. The country has the upper hand against China now largely because of technology and political instability; how about in a future is a stable and technologically advanced China?


35 posted on 10/17/2006 10:56:24 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This thread is running amok with libertarians. Which is their right, btw, but more non-libertarian opinions could be useful.


36 posted on 10/17/2006 10:58:52 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: ravinson

Obviously, our education system sucks because it is run by liberals. Bush should have cleaned out the liberals in the INS when he came in but being Mr. Nice Guy, we all lose out. The left wants the votes and don't give two hoots about anything else.

We should have been getting the kind of immigration we needed and the skills required for industry. We could have been cherry picking. Instead, we are getting mainly, the poor, third worlders.


37 posted on 10/17/2006 11:23:47 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Very few babies born to welfare mothers and illegal immigrants grow up to pay their fair share of the nation's total tax bill.

Do you have any stats on that? I know some people that grew up on welfare who are very successful.

Where did I defend immigration laws that keep out skilled German workers who could fill positions that employers can't find Americans to fill?

You said this:

And every time I read a leftist MSM sob story about a "hard working" illegal immigrant, the justification given for their illegal activity is the large brood of children they have.

That implies you oppose even hard working immigrants if they enter the country illegally and have a lot of children. Are you carving out an exception for Germans and/or immigrants with few children?

Though the issue of a shortage of American workers to fill skilled positions is really specious. If we spent half the money on retraining displaced American workers, that we spend "saving" crack babies born to women who should have been sterilized after they popped out their first crack baby, and educating the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th children of people who have never made a net financial contribution to our country and have never paid the full tab for even ONE of their children, there would be plenty of American workers with the skills employers need.

So apparently you'd rather increase taxes to try to lure Americans into unpopular professions rather than allow even skillful, hard working, childless Germans to fill those jobs.

Companies would be a lot more willing to finance the training of workers they need, if they weren't having 50% of their profits confiscated in taxes, with a big chunk of that going to subsidize the continued overbreeding of people who are incapable of and/or unwilling to be trained for meaningful work.

Not necessarily, but do you not see the inconsistency between opposing the overtaxing of profitable companies and denying them access to overseas labor supplies? By forcibly prohibiting companies from importing labor you're in effect taxing their profits (and hence their customers) by forcing them to subsidize less competent American workers.

If you want to see how "productive" people are in countries where they breed like feral cats, I suggest you pay visits to places like Somalia and Nigeria and Malawi

Their problems are not overpopulation, but rather tyrannical governments. You sound like one of those liberal overpopulation nuts who believes that birth control is the answer to third world poverty.

38 posted on 10/17/2006 11:32:24 PM PDT by ravinson
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I put in overpopulation. It seemed like a relevant keyword, especially considering comments on this thread about possible consequences of further population growth.


39 posted on 10/18/2006 3:00:32 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hugo Chavez is the Devil! The podium still smells of sulfur...)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

The Cato Institute does not have "front page" or "breaking news" sections. The closest it comes to "front page" is having links to some articles on its index page, and I didn't check for that.


40 posted on 10/18/2006 3:02:48 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hugo Chavez is the Devil! The podium still smells of sulfur...)
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