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High Court Won't Review Skakel Verdict
AP via Herald Sun ^ | 11/13/06 | MARK SHERMAN : Associated Press Writer

Posted on 11/13/2006 11:55:37 AM PST by mathprof

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To: mathprof
It amazes me that they weren't fighting for his innocence: They were fighting using the "He forgot to say 'mother, may I?' defense."

No doubt that this pig did the crime.
21 posted on 11/13/2006 12:23:08 PM PST by bannie
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To: Grampa Dave

Don't be surprised, if we end up with a Dem President in '08, that he gets a Presidential Pardon, somewhere down the road.


22 posted on 11/13/2006 12:24:26 PM PST by DakotaRed (Kerry Should Resign!)
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To: bannie
It's hard to fight for your innocence before the U.S. Supreme Court. Federal courts aren't likely to overturn convictions on those grounds unless some evidence has come up since the trial that would vindicate the defendant -- in which case there should be no reason why the verdict wouldn't be overturned on the state level.

The U.S. Supreme Court generally reviews cases on constitutional grounds and does not serve as a trial court.

23 posted on 11/13/2006 12:26:03 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I don't know how familiar you are with Greenwich,CT but you don't live in Belle Haven (the richest part of Greenwich) unless you have serious $$$.

The large majority of Greenwich residents have "old" money,and I'd say that 98% of Belle Haven's residents have it.

24 posted on 11/13/2006 12:28:27 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: Alberta's Child

It's a good thing the Supreme's don't have to waste their time on such cases. How did this fellow get his to this point?


25 posted on 11/13/2006 12:28:48 PM PST by bannie
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To: Gay State Conservative

The Skakels got rich operating docks on the Great Lakes, storing and selling pet coke from refineries.


26 posted on 11/13/2006 12:31:38 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: bannie
How did this fellow get his to this point?

By paying lawyers lots of money to file numerous appeals. The fact that the Supreme Court wouldn't even hear the case tells me this desperate effort was doomed from the start.

27 posted on 11/13/2006 12:34:39 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Olsen probably was interested in the legal argument more than the client. It is an interesting legal question. Law & Order has done similarly themed shows, especially on catching somebody 20 years later who committed murder as a teen. Or catching somebody who said something incriminating pre miranda, and does it count. Ted Olsen just likely wanted to argue the law here with not a great shot of winning, plus he got paid well I am sure.


28 posted on 11/13/2006 12:35:39 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: bannie

money, and his family connections.


29 posted on 11/13/2006 12:36:03 PM PST by oceanview
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To: dogbyte12
Curious that any state could have a statute of limitations on murder.
30 posted on 11/13/2006 12:37:17 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: oceanview

Mafia money and a trashy family ... royalty, for sure.


31 posted on 11/13/2006 12:37:44 PM PST by bannie
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To: bannie

I think it had something to do with whether the prosecution of this case violated some sort of statute of limitations on non-capital murder what was in place in CT for a short time.

There were also some interesting questions about whether he should have been tried as an adult or juvenille. He was a couple of days past his 16th birthday at the time of the commission of the crime.

I think ultimately his defense was that he was innocent of the crime, not some technicality or mitigating circumstances.

Truly a sad case. I kind of leaned towards his brother for this crime.


32 posted on 11/13/2006 12:39:21 PM PST by YankeeGirl
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Unless there is more to this, Olsen seemed to have good legal grounds. The statute, apparently, differentiated capital one, with Murder in the second. However, if nobody is charged, how can you determine what was capital murder to a precise degree?

My guess is that they wanted to differentiate pre-meditated murder with crimes of passion on the books.


33 posted on 11/13/2006 12:41:08 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: Gay State Conservative
Everyone is entitled to a defense in our system. Just because we all "know" someone is guilty should not be enough to convict the person.

Carolyn

34 posted on 11/13/2006 12:42:00 PM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I could never be a criminal defense lawyer or a criminal appeals lawyer unless I could make a decent living representing those that *I* was either convinced of being innocent or at least strongly suspected that they were innocent.

The innocent are few and far between on the defense side.

35 posted on 11/13/2006 12:49:12 PM PST by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
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To: CDHart
Just because we all "know" someone is guilty should not be enough to convict the person.

I agree.I acknowledge that it's highly unlikely that *everyone* charged with a serious crime in this country is,in fact,guilty as charged.

However,it's a long way from "ladies and gentlemen of the jury...my client just didn't commit this crime" to "ladies and gentlemen of the jury...every fingerprint,every drop of my client's blood and every other piece of evidence was planted by racist/crooked/stupid cops and every so-called eyewitness was compelled to testify by the use of threats"...which is basically what most lawyers who know their client is guilty use these days.

36 posted on 11/13/2006 1:03:40 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: DakotaRed

Very,Very true. Great post!


37 posted on 11/13/2006 1:06:48 PM PST by ustanker (The cave dwellers are happy!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Skakel's lawyer, former Solicitor General Theodore Olson, had argued that the deadline for prosecuting Skakel passed 19 years before he was arrested in January 2000.

Ted Olson was not defending Skakel. He was defending the LAW.

That said I am happy the Supreme Court refused to hear it.

38 posted on 11/13/2006 1:09:55 PM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Spunky
Ted Olson was not defending Skakel. He was defending the LAW.That said I am happy the Supreme Court refused to hear it.

It doesn't matter to me,in this case,at least,what he was "defending".He was *representing* a piece of excrement,which is something I could *never* do.

39 posted on 11/13/2006 1:16:08 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: mathprof

How can you be given an adult sentence if you did it as a kid, and kids weren't sentenced as adults as the time?

Isn't this essentially ex-post-facto sentencing?


40 posted on 11/13/2006 1:18:06 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush if given a chance.)
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