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San Francisco school board votes to dump JROTC program
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | November 15, 2006 | Jill Tucker

Posted on 11/14/2006 11:40:21 PM PST by L.N. Smithee

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To: L.N. Smithee

National boycott of San Francisco. Better yet, boycott the whole friggin state!


61 posted on 11/15/2006 4:18:37 AM PST by SMM48
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To: L.N. Smithee

Allow me to quote the band Kansas:

Can I tell you something
Got to tell you one thing
If you expect the freedom
That you say is yours
Prove that you deserve it
Help us to preserve it
Or being free will just be
Words and nothing more


62 posted on 11/15/2006 4:22:10 AM PST by fredhead (Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: Los Angeles Conservative

And you left out, LA Conservative, the JROTC is VOLUNTARY, no student is forced to attend it, unlike the liberal indoctrination that passes for classroom learning in the public schools.


63 posted on 11/15/2006 4:36:18 AM PST by fredhead (Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: CheyennePress
What a bunch of useless canon fodder!

With "cut and run" the official strategy in the WOT about to be implemented by the Reid/Pelosi Congress we need some cannon fodder. With the surrender that is about to happen in Iraq and the appeasement of Iran and North Korea that will undoubtedly follow, we need a few cities here in the USA that refuse to realize that we are at war with a vicious enemy. We need them to act as cannon fodder for the rest of us.

As surely as I type this the terrorists will come here after we surrender, er, uh, "redeploy" in Iraq. The terrorists are not stupid and they can see the strategic weak points. San Franciso, you just published yet another of your weaknesses for all the world to see. I, for one, will never, ever step foot in that miserable excuse for a cess pool again.

Reap what you sow, San Francisco.

64 posted on 11/15/2006 4:41:11 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Tennessee - The last Conservative rock sticking above a deep blue sea....)
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To: kristinn
Nancy Mancias is a leader in Code Pink.

That helps explain this.

65 posted on 11/15/2006 4:53:24 AM PST by cf_river_rat (Just another defender of the faith)
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To: Los Angeles Conservative; Dallas59

Hi guys,

as I said, I don´t agree with the pacifist and unpatriotic arguements of the school board. To me, JROTC is a valuable program that encourages teenagers to serve their nation and consider the classmate next to them a "mate" instead of a potential target.

But you should have read the posts I was responding to. Two FReepers called for a complete stop of federal fundings for SF. That´s unpatriotic and silly, too. Or am I mistaken here?

M.


66 posted on 11/15/2006 4:55:18 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
That´s unpatriotic and silly, too. Or am I mistaken here?

Federal funds often come with strings attached. I wouldn't have a problem with yanking the strings.

67 posted on 11/15/2006 4:57:22 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: patton
San Francisco is NOT part of the United States. As far as I am concerned it effectively seceded when the city government ruled to grant "sanctuary" to any military personnel who went AWOL during Gulf War I.
68 posted on 11/15/2006 5:00:40 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Republic Rocker

Right - SF gets hit, we tell Kimmy that he missed. Any other place however and NK becomes a parking lot.


69 posted on 11/15/2006 5:04:37 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: L.N. Smithee

So much for pro-choice. JROTC and the military is a godsend for some kids. Too bad San Franciscans just lost a valuable lifeline.


70 posted on 11/15/2006 5:10:02 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Los Angeles Conservative; Michael81Dus

Hi LAC!

Wow... I was going to unload here, but you did a far better job than I ever could. You're absolutely right. This isn't about a "difference of opinion." This is about the blatant denial of a course of education, based on politics and an irrational hatred of the military.

Can you imagine how the left would be howling like stuck pigs had a school board in the mid west decide that other types of curriculum be banned, because the school board disagreed with them? I wonder how many lawyers the left would ship in to "protect the rights of the students?"

Mark


71 posted on 11/15/2006 5:37:51 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: MarkL; Los Angeles Conservative

And you miss the point again, Mark - just like your buddy.
My criticism is about your denial of federal fundings for SF, not about the JROTC program.

Are you incapable to comprehend that or are are you just distracting from your silly proposal?


72 posted on 11/15/2006 6:20:50 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: L.N. Smithee
San Francisco Values

That's an oxymoron.

73 posted on 11/15/2006 7:04:57 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: screaming eagle2
And the next time San Fran's school board and city council are attacked by terrorists,let them CALL A HIPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO!!!!! < :D

74 posted on 11/15/2006 7:13:39 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Virulas
Union of Communist Youth

That's a clever idea. Military life is a big commune. They do what they're told by the elite, nobody gets rich, free health care, government housing, everyone is assigned a job. Having the military in San Francisco is just a branding problem.

75 posted on 11/15/2006 7:27:57 AM PST by Reeses
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To: tommix2
Uh. ROTC is not soldier training. Its leadership training. I am sorry you had such a poor program 60 years ago. I am sure something has improved since then.

They still do close order drill. But they learn other things too.

The kids in this program almost to the child cherish the experience now. Its not something they have to do. They have to work hard and struggle against all of the crap folks want to hand to them.

They do it for the opportunities that open up in getting College scholarships, they get credit for their training if they do decide to enlist, but the instructors keep recruiters far away from these kids because this is Officer Training, not recruiting.

The path toward Officer is through College ROTC or the Military Academies. Most of the kids go on to their normal lives, with skills on leading and inspiring others. And in the meantime they learn a whole set of appropriate values like Duty, Loyalty, Honor and Courage.

76 posted on 11/15/2006 7:38:31 AM PST by dalight
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To: gakrak

Sad, isn't it? How the world has been turned on its head...


77 posted on 11/15/2006 9:33:41 AM PST by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: Michael81Dus

The proposal is far from "silly", bud. Federal funds come with strings attached, as they have for years in our nation's history, so I see no problem with denying federal funds to cities that ban students from participating in JROTC. They'd be getting what they deserve.

And there is nothing unpatriotic in doing so. SF made their choice. The federal government can make its choice too.


78 posted on 11/15/2006 9:44:20 AM PST by NinoFan
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To: TankerKC
Nice "Code Pink" sweater on the kid.

So, all Federal funding will be withheld from San Fran schools now, right? I mean if they are not going to allow a Federally supported program like JROTC in schools, then why should school lunches be paid for using Federal Tax dollars?

You just know that the bad guys are laughing over this one.

79 posted on 11/15/2006 9:49:58 AM PST by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: dalight

Glad to hear that ROTC has been improved. Sounds like a much more worthwhile program now. In 1942 we all expected to go directly into the military out of high school so we didn't consider ROTC as leading to any further opportunities.


80 posted on 11/15/2006 11:04:11 AM PST by tommix2
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