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Republican donors support Giuliani
The Daily Telegraph ^ | November 27, 2006 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 11/26/2006 11:57:04 PM PST by MadIvan

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To: trumandogz
Let's take a look at security issues. Do you seriously believe Hillary would be better in waging the War on Terror than Giuliani? If you do, discontinue reading at this point. In fact, I never want to speak to you again.

Secondly, in terms of taxation and economic policy, Giuliani favours cutting taxes, as he did in New York. Hillary is on record at taking things away for "the common good".

Finally, as to the social issues you mentioned - Giuliani's official position is that this is not something to be mandated by the federal government but to be decided by the states. As the Constitution says that the powers not enumerated in it are reserved for the states or the people, that is actually the Constitutionally correct position, whether you agree with his personal opinion or not. Hillary does not share this perspective.

Build up what excuses you like, but Giuliani is a better pick than Hillary. I cannot believe I have to argue with conservatives whose experience should have been tempered by Impeachment on this issue.

Ivan

21 posted on 11/27/2006 12:16:58 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: GSlob
That is another consideration. If Hillary comes back, so does Bill.

I don't understand anyone who doesn't believe this must be avoided.

Regards, Ivan

22 posted on 11/27/2006 12:18:10 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Some conservatives can give Giuliani a pass on his pro-abortion stance. Some can pass on pro gun control stance. Some can pass on pro homosexual anti morality stance .

That would make for an interesting GOP Convention.

"We support gun control!"

"We support abortion rights!"

"We support Gay Marriage!"

"We are Republicans!"

"Vote for Rudy!!!"

23 posted on 11/27/2006 12:20:33 AM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: MadIvan

In every important foreign policy issue, she is absolutely wrong.


She seems to be saying the right things about Iraq...no???


24 posted on 11/27/2006 12:20:49 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
She seems to be saying the right things about Iraq...no???

In case you hadn't noticed, she seems to be saying as little as possible on that issue, and trying to stay on the right side of the electorate. Her liberal record on issues tells her real opinion.

Ivan

25 posted on 11/27/2006 12:22:04 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
Stop trying...............BE ANGRY!

I am beyond just being ANGRY at them and that IS what is needed!

26 posted on 11/27/2006 12:22:34 AM PST by nopardons
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To: MadIvan
Please explain to me how Not Supporting Rudy means that I do support hillary.


BTW-Hillary will not get the Dem nomination.


Look for Bayh or Richardson or even Edwards.
27 posted on 11/27/2006 12:23:37 AM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: MadIvan
I am a social conservative, but I think it's time for us to set our priority right.

We like to criticize liberals for choosing 'high culture' over fighting against Islamofacists because we think that doing that would lead to our demise. But, apparently we're doing similar things. We like to say that WoT is a war for our survival: to protect our life-style, civilization, etc. And we look down upon liberals for complaining about 'human rights violation'. The way I see it, we are doing the same thing: we are so busy complaining about gay marriage, abortions, etc.. at the expense of our own (and/or the future generation's) lives.

Not that I think those issues should be put aside. No. We need to fight for those. But, we need to pick the battles correctly, and prioritize the most important thing.

What's the point of tyring to get a "Christian" president if it results in Hillary (or any other Dim) presidency, which is more likely to (a) define the SCOTUS, and (b) surrender to international pressures including pressures from Islamic countries?

If we lose WoT, the US will go to either one of these two paths: accept Islam or die. The first one probably is not that bad, as they surely will give us legislations against gay marriage or abortion.

Rudy is very strong in WoT and Islamofacists (he returned the money from that sheik, didn't he?) So, I think Conservatives shouldn't write him off.

28 posted on 11/27/2006 12:24:26 AM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: trumandogz

Then YOU have less than NO idea what Rudy is for and aren't fit to vote.


29 posted on 11/27/2006 12:24:26 AM PST by nopardons
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To: MadIvan
If you aren't careful, you could end up with President Hillary.

Known for being incredibly vindictive. Truly an evil person.

Some people truly have rocks in their heads. Myopic tunnel vision.

30 posted on 11/27/2006 12:24:34 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: MadIvan
It's easy to name candidates better positioned than Rudy, even if we reserve judgement, finally, to evaluate their positions under pressure:

Tancredo, Brownback, Pence

The point is this: asking real conservatives to get excited about an unscrupulous, squishy liberal like Rudy, under the banner "less liberal than Hillary" is totally unecessary. There are two years to begin re-stating the message that got Reagan elected and the 94 congress in power. It's time to weed out the Republicans who never met a government program they didn't like.

The American center is properly seeing the current school of Republicans as the guys who raid the federal purse for their own pet projects. If that's all they can do, they go back to their old welfare Democrats.

The guy that leads the charge can't be a child of government, as Rudy undeniably is.
31 posted on 11/27/2006 12:25:52 AM PST by farmer18th
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To: MadIvan
"If getting a "true conservative" in is more important to you than that, well, you can't be helped."

At this stage of the game The Telegraph might think there are only two candidates on the Republican side.

Giuliani and McCain are not the only conservatives who will be in the race.

McCain has already been rejected as presidential material. Giuliani has already declined to go up against non-Mrs. Clinton.

yitbos

32 posted on 11/27/2006 12:25:53 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: nopardons

Rudy is pro abortion and pro gun control.


I do not need to know any more than that.

and then there is that Gay Marriage thing.


33 posted on 11/27/2006 12:26:28 AM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: trumandogz
Please explain to me how Not Supporting Rudy means that I do support hillary.

Feel free not to support Rudy all the way up to the convention, but if the party does nominate him, and you sit on your hands, and Rudy is defeated because people like you stayed at home, I'm going to be angry at people like you for having subjected the world to the Hillary Presidency, because that is the effect of what you propose.

Sometimes being practical is more important than being pure. Anyone who remembers the trauma of Impeachment knows that Hillary is evil and has to be downed. If the Democrats were as sane and sensible to pick Richardson or Bayh, I might feel better about conservatives "staying at home". That said, I do think Hillary will get it. I also think she's absolutely intolerable - the world cannot afford a return of the Clinton Crime Family.

Ivan

34 posted on 11/27/2006 12:26:47 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: farmer18th
Tancredo, Brownback, Pence

I'm surprised you mention Brownback - all the anti-illegals folks hate his guts for being a champion of amnesty. Tancredo and Pence are not credible - not because they're not good people, it's because they have very little national profile, and secondly, no member of the House of Representatives has been elected President since James Garfield. Garfield had an advantage of being Speaker of the House as well.

You're not living in the real world, I'm afraid - think about who has a national imprint, who is known to the electorate, and who has a credible chance in beating Hillary in the debates. If you can't see that Giuliani is the best out there so far, you cannot be helped.

Ivan

35 posted on 11/27/2006 12:29:22 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

We are not in disagreement. However, it would be interesting to see the GOP nominate Rudy and the Dems to nominate Bayh.


Left will be right and right will be left.


36 posted on 11/27/2006 12:29:56 AM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: bruinbirdman
At this stage of the game The Telegraph might think there are only two candidates on the Republican side.

There's Mitt Romney, but his numbers look horrible. 43% saying they'd never vote for a Mormon (which is very odd).

Ivan

37 posted on 11/27/2006 12:30:29 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: trumandogz
Rudy does NOT support Gay marriage; never has!

And since you'd rather have Hillary as president, then I guess that Rudy's stances on LOWERING TAXES and getting Supreme Court Judges like Scalia ( who he claims is THE best SCOTUS Judge and whom he reveres and whom he would choose his nominees in the mold of ), and his VERY pro-military/pro-WOT, and anti-crime stances all mean absolutely NOTHING at all to you. Noooooooooooooooo, you would much rather have Hillary for president, a woman who WILL destroy our nation.

38 posted on 11/27/2006 12:30:36 AM PST by nopardons
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To: trumandogz
If I were you, I'd take a trip over the American Conservative Union website and look up Bayh's ratings. He's not a conservative, not by a long shot. He just plays one on television, just like the rest of the Blue Dogs.

Regards, Ivan

39 posted on 11/27/2006 12:31:52 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

What is the difference between the two ??


40 posted on 11/27/2006 12:34:12 AM PST by Rumple4
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