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Baker wants Israel excluded from regional conference
Insight Magazine ^ | December 5, 2006

Posted on 12/06/2006 12:43:40 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

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To: cva66snipe
Having Baker involved in this is like having David Duke involved in civil rights for blacks.

Maybe once he leaves the GOP base can once again unite to a conservative agenda.

That's the same thing I've been thinking about for weeks.

181 posted on 12/06/2006 5:10:17 PM PST by processing please hold
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To: piytar
I used to be one of those "Condi 2008" assclowns. I was wrong.

It is very big indeed for you to admit this. Thanks.

182 posted on 12/06/2006 5:14:32 PM PST by montag813
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To: Peach
Hopefully the WH won't even dignify this with a response.

Hopefully they will, to refute it. That's their problem now...stone silence. Silence appears as acceptance or agreement.

183 posted on 12/06/2006 5:15:32 PM PST by processing please hold
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Don't laugh too loud. Neville Chamberlain was a hero after the Munich Pact. He was cheered when he came home.

Civ IV uses his "peace in our time" quotation.


184 posted on 12/06/2006 5:23:49 PM PST by sine_nomine (Don't let another Bush lose another Iraq war.)
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To: Hildy

"Only Nixon could go to China." Look what that got us.

"Only Bush could capture Iraq and lose the war." This is so bad and it keeps getting more rotten.


185 posted on 12/06/2006 5:26:13 PM PST by sine_nomine (Don't let another Bush lose another Iraq war.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
This is obscene. And getting worse. God metes out judgment to souls in the next world. But nations have no souls, so they are judged, and get their consequences, in this world. If this Baker-ite diplo-diarrhea flies, the US is in "grave and deteriorating" straits.
186 posted on 12/06/2006 5:26:26 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Williams

The USSR would have collapsed regardless of who was occupying the White House at the time. Bush Sr. raised income taxes after pledging not to. Then, as an election year stunt, reduced withholding without actually bothering to cut taxes thereby screwing millions.

He unilaterally removed shipboard tactical nuclear weapons, and started the "peace dividend" military drawdown that continued under Clinton and which we're still feeling the effects of today.

Not to mention signing the ADA into law.


187 posted on 12/06/2006 5:28:24 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: piytar
re: Condi 2008 assclowns

Just from a crassly political point of view--exactly what reward in this political life can any Repub pol expect for supporting Israel? Be crass, now, and coldblooded for a moment.

Being pro-Israel doesn't get a Repub very far--and look at Soros/Lamont and the Lieberman experience with the Democrats. I don't see many Israel allies in the landscape anywhere. From a coldly political point of view, what politicias should stick his neck out for Israel? How has this come to be?

There are several new Democrat Jews in the 2007 House. Do you think they will be pro-Israel? Should Israel take their support for granted? I don't, but I'm waiting to see.

The left has done a brilliant triangulation with the conservative evangelical Christians by exposing the embarrassment that the bluebloods feel at their presence at the political table. (Kuo may be a self-serving twerp, but his criticisms have resonance.) There were many Republicans who disdained the evangelicals, and this couldn't go on forever without alienating a significant constituency. Now there's that purpose-driven guy who's being courted by some very unembarrassed Democrats. That's enough to chip a significant support away from Israel.

If Condi were pro-Israel there wouldn't be any political reward for being so. That's just the truth.

We have seen our last pro-Israel administration.

188 posted on 12/06/2006 5:29:31 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
Being pro-Israel doesn't get a Repub very far

Not in this life. I value my soul over the short time I'll be on this earth.

189 posted on 12/06/2006 5:37:24 PM PST by processing please hold
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To: Little Ray
Israel won't be fighting just Syria - they'll be fighting Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Egypt, too

Maybe they should build a few more nukes, and Jericho-II missiles to screw them onto.

190 posted on 12/06/2006 5:38:07 PM PST by El Gato
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To: processing please hold
syria and iran, jumpin' Jehoshaphat, that's insane. Both countries want to wipe Israel off the map.

From his most recent, and earlier, pronouncements, Ahmadidijad wants to wipe Us

191 posted on 12/06/2006 5:40:17 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato

Maybe you are right, I just hope he picks it up. Considering the present situation, if someone like BiBi does not, the last person in Israel can turn out the lights before he/she walks into the sea.

I know that seems flippant, but it seems to me that Israel is getting the short end of the stick on this present surrendering (Iraq Surrender Group) to raghedia. Why does Israel always get the short end of the stick?

I am not a Jew, just a Catholic, and not a very good one, but I have to say that Israel must now consider standing alone.

Historically, it reminds me of Europe, 1938-39. I hope I am wrong.


192 posted on 12/06/2006 5:42:09 PM PST by alarm rider (Not a democrat, not a republican, not a "libertarian".. A CONSERVATIVE.)
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To: tet68
“Baker sees his plan as containing something for everybody, except perhaps the Israelis,”

The Israelis would get something too, "The Shaft". After which they'd use those big phallic symbols they've got out in the Desert. Then Damascus and Tehran, among other places, would get another treat, glowing in the dark.

193 posted on 12/06/2006 5:45:39 PM PST by El Gato
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Stuff and nonsense.


194 posted on 12/06/2006 5:46:15 PM PST by harrowup (Eyes had a NassCAR wuntz; bettern' ma first; but not da bestest.)
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To: El Gato

He'll have a longer life expectancy taking on Europe. He ain't ready to play with the big dog. When we get hit, one whiff that it came from him will be the end of Iran.


195 posted on 12/06/2006 5:54:03 PM PST by processing please hold
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To: piytar
Its all really about the Primacy and geostrategic imperative of the U.S. Dollar.
U.S. Dollar activity now floods the mideast as *All sides handle it,..from grotty cave dwellers with RPG's to nation centres.
Russia and China offer little resistence,...as they both swim intoxicated in U.S. Dollars,
but all party's eventually end : )

Israels fiscal lobby has been waining for years against Sunni Arab League and U.N.....decline increases as Persians sit at the table.

Israel is being made to see its place at the table

Some scenario will occur in the future...much like the mixed signals Saddam got concerning Kuwait.
Islam will make a run for Jerusalem.

Bleached Bones lying in the Sun on the Mountains of Israel as the Prophecy goes...will occur.

My moneys on Israel for the Win : )

196 posted on 12/06/2006 6:03:26 PM PST by Parrot_was_devastating
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To: murrie

May be that they have no idea. Could get very interesting once the foretold history comes true.

Wow.


197 posted on 12/06/2006 6:06:27 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: oceanview

41 should blubber away. He is shameful.


198 posted on 12/06/2006 6:07:53 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: West Coast Conservative
“Baker sees his plan as containing something for everybody, except perhaps the Israelis,” the official said. “The Syrians would get back the Golan, the Iranians would get U.S. recognition and the Saudis would regain their influence, particularly with the Palestinians.”

So, in other words, this is an excellent opportunity to strengthen our bitter enemies and screw our good friends.

Such a deal!

199 posted on 12/06/2006 6:10:18 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Today's leaders have no balls. We need someone with a backbone right now. America is in danger if we continue down this course.


200 posted on 12/06/2006 6:10:30 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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