Posted on 12/06/2006 12:43:40 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
I don't know about Syria, but as I said on another thread about Imaninnyjad, how do you talk to someone who wants to wipe out an entire country AND whose choo-choo has clearly gone chugging round the bend?
They sure did..
We would never be trusted again
goodbye Taiwan
goodbye Taiwan
It pains me to say it, but, I'm afraid you're correct.
We can't say that the President wasn't aware of this since Baker's proposal has the support of Rice, Burns and Negroponte, and Rice and Hadley have been consulting with Scowcroft. So this proposal isn't just Baker's. Having Baker working on this proposal plus the appointment of Robert Gates gives strong indications of placating the liberal anger as opposed to looking for the best interest of Iraq, and more importantly looking for the best interest of Israel, despite the Defense Department warning against granting a role to Iran and Syria at Israel's expense. That would also undermine Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco – our allies.
This is quite a downer. Maybe we don't know all that there is to know... and maybe things aren't as bad as they appear, but looking from where I sit... it ain't look good.
I agree that there doesn't seem to be much gold in those hills. Keep an eye on it and wait and see. But you are correct - the Fabulous Baker Boy isn't giving us much to look forward to. :(
Sad to say.
This stinks out loud.'
You bet it does and the very suggestion of not involving Israel is a huge snub of Israel and a declaration that the U.S. is willing to negotiate Israel's very existence in exchange for nothing guaranteed from the Arabs.
What in the world is going on here. I just can't believe this.
is Israel so weak now that she will allow herself to walk the plank.
Doubt it. Governments can and do change quickly in Israel and when backed up against the wall of survival one thing is certain. "NEVER AGAIN" There is no way Israel will commit suicide without taking hundreds of millions with them. "NEVER AGAIN"
Baker speaks for the Saudis (he pipes, they pay).
Gates and Brzezinski in their 2004 CFR Report called for negotiations with Iran.
Suddenly it's 1938 and the fresh breeze of appeasement blows across a somnambulandscape.
Jimbo, not today, not tomorrow, not ever, you sorry sack of dung.
Kill the terrorists be they in some Baghdad slum or Tehrani marbled palace--or even in Riyadh.
Mr. President, brush aside this cup of poison.
If you go hat in hand to the enemy camp, you go alone.
The US still maintains diplomatic relations with Syria. Although we pulled our Amb after the assassination in Lebanon, the US still has a functioning embassy in Damascus and the Syrians have an Embassy in Washington DC. We have been engaged with the Syrians for a long time.
And the Israelis would be FOOLS to trust us.
Just making the report public is reason for complete loss of trust. If this report gets support the U.S. can forget about being leader of the free world. Any nation would be foolish to trust us. Goodbye Taiwan, goodbye Iraq & goodbye Israel. Africa is gone already. China will have Asia and Russia is up to mischief again determined to undermine the west, especially eastern Europe. South America will fall one by one to Venezuela as they become bolder and bolder in lieu of U.S. weakness. We'll see more military takeovers and Europe will be gone in a decade and no doubt U.S. leadership role in NATO will be totally worthless. Europe will be like Iraq. Their governments won't be willing to face any challenge, they'll expect the U.S. to bail them out and there will a Baker like study group advising against any involvement in order not to upset the European Muslim majority.
You need to change that to the Iraq Surrender Group, Phil.
If Baker can do a few favors for the Saudis, a palestinian state for example, so much the better.
Given the multiple generations who have born into hate, taught hate from birth, lived hate, breathed hate in every fiber of their being I doubt if we will ever see a Palestinian state in our lifetime. They simply don't have the capacity to live in a civil society. Their leaders have guaranteed conflict for generations to come.
I don't know why you feel a need to find the evils of Bush Sr. They don't exist. Now, many of his supporting cast don't have his intestinal fortitude on their own - Powell, Baker, etc. But under his leadership they were exceptional.
Excellent post!
My sentiments...exactly!
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