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Count them in: Tally of illegals may save us a congressman(Guess which state)
Boston Herald ^
| January 19, 2007
| By Joe Dwinell & D. Craig MacCormack
Posted on 01/19/2007 6:10:16 AM PST by GQuagmire
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People's Commonweath of Massachusetts at its best.
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:10:18 AM PST
by
GQuagmire
To: GQuagmire
I propose a compromise. Illegals should only be counted as 3/5ths of a person for the purpose of congressional apportionment. Maybe Mass will secede and and we'll be rid of them.
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:14:09 AM PST
by
dblshot
To: GQuagmire
There's got to be a Federal law forbidding individuals who are living here illegally to fill out a census form.
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:18:36 AM PST
by
Gay State Conservative
("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
To: dblshot
I was thinking the same thing, but I am sure that when it comes to counting an illegal alien, Massachusetts wants the whole oaf.
Is there a ping for Massachusetts corruption? I'm from New Jersey, so I am something of an expert on state corruption. Massachusetts, Louisiana, and New Jersey are the big three of state corruption, but they have rising competition from New York, Connecticut, the ever-ambitious Maryland, long-tiem champ Pennsylvania ... hey, what ever happened to honest state politics? It seems to be a thing of the past, or maybe just a myth.
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:22:12 AM PST
by
docbnj
To: GQuagmire
I guess we have 'taxation without representation' taking place, therefore to eliminate 'taxation without representation' we should count all persons here illegally, so when we plug the number of people into the equations at the end of the census, thereby representatives can come up with an amount of money which should actually be paid in taxes vs the amount of tax money now being received. And the birds will sing and the otters will play and life will be as it should be again. Thank God, we have government people willing to go out and count someone who shouldn't be here and promise that someone, illegally here, we will not deport you.....
America land of the not so free, unless you are an illegal, and then boys and girls if you are illegal, do we have freedom for you.....it's all them, no account useless citizens we are going to tax, we just need to count those of you here illegally so we can plug in the numbers to the equations whereby we can collect more money from these no account useless citizens.
Is this the 'real' game day plan?
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:24:24 AM PST
by
From One - Many
(Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
To: docbnj
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:32:03 AM PST
by
GQuagmire
To: From One - Many
Just another reason it is foolish to send your money to Washington and expect to get it back.
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:34:53 AM PST
by
ClaireSolt
(Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
To: GQuagmire
I'm sorry, but would someone please point out where in the US Constitution it says that illegal aliens are entitled to congressional representation at the expense of proportional representation for (legal) Americans?
To: GQuagmire
If Massachusetts counts illegals, so will other states and Massachusetts will gain nothing. They could only gain if Massachusetts counted illegals and no one else did. This is an anti-Democratic idea to undermine the fairness of the political system.
To: GQuagmire
Is this still governed by Amendment XIV section 2, or has it been superceded by anything?
Amendment XIV sect 2
at http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am14.html states:
2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Surely the Founding Fathers didn't intend the count to include people here illegally, here as tourists, business travellers, people on student visas...Can what these MA politicians propose be legal?
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:39:32 AM PST
by
posterchild
(Spent some money on women and beer, the rest was just wasted.)
To: ClaireSolt
As you were!
You're talking treason!
No wonder congress wants to take away freedom of speech.
The citizens are more intelligent than the congress persons, and
congress can't stand the competition on their version of the truth.
Look for big trouble as more of the truth comes to the surface. Annie - Get Your Gun.
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:39:56 AM PST
by
From One - Many
(Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
To: GQuagmire
A high cost of living is driving younger residents out of the Bay State, How is it that young people can't afford to live there, but illegals can?
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:42:42 AM PST
by
Moonman62
(The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
To: Moonman62
Easy, Illegals live in Illegal apartments. One of our Dept. Chiefs told me that on several calls to house fires they were faced with particle board cubicles with 50 or more people living in what is supposed to be a two family house. Those "residents" did not stick around when the fire dept arrived.
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:48:03 AM PST
by
massgopguy
(I owe everything to George Bailey)
To: GQuagmire
An illegal immigrant is nothing more than a visitor. We do not count visitors in the census. We should change the Constitution so that only citizens of the United States are counted toward congressional representation.
To: massgopguy
I wonder if Antebellum slaves had better housing.
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:53:40 AM PST
by
Moonman62
(The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
To: GQuagmire
We all knew this was coming but it still doesn't make it any less INSANE!
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:53:50 AM PST
by
sheana
To: docbnj
You forgot to add New Mexico to your list...Bill Richardson's dem buddies running the state government must hold some kind of record for corruption.
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:54:43 AM PST
by
greyfoxx39
(Bill Clinton soiled his legacy, in retaliation the DBM is soiling President Bush's legacy.)
To: Moonman62
Don't go suppressing the illegals or we your government officials will tax you. Well, we your government officials will tax you no matter, just leave our illegals alone. Illegals are your future and your children's future. It is bad, and evil to want to keep American citizenship for the citizens. Taxes have to go up in direct proportion to the number of illegals in the state, so we can make the illegals comfortable. If you are a citizen, go sleep in the streets, if you are going to talk bad about our government funded (by your tax dollars) illegal criminal invaders. There are lawyers and judges that don't have enough work to do. Don't you understand? We in government see the big picture and you citizens aren't in the big picture, except for the fact you send we government officials your money. We in government are going to do what we think is best for the nation, whether you agree or not. Send us your money and STFU! --rant off--
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posted on
01/19/2007 6:55:32 AM PST
by
From One - Many
(Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
To: Gay State Conservative
There's got to be a Federal law forbidding individuals who are living here illegally to fill out a census form. Let's see. I think there's several Federal laws forbidding them from entering the US illegally and several more that prevent them from voting, but that hasn't seemed to stop those activities.
To: GQuagmire
Count them in: Tally of illegals may save us a congressman(Guess which state)
Since the number of congresspersons is limited in aggregate (435) a more honest headline would be something like;
'MA attempts to use illegals to keep former residents from taking their congress seat with them' or
'MA using illegals for advantage in competition with other states for seats in congress.'
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posted on
01/19/2007 7:18:31 AM PST
by
posterchild
(Spent some money on women and beer, the rest was just wasted.)
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