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2-year ban on toll roads sought
Fort Worth Star-Telegram ^ | March 7, 2007 | Gordon Dickson

Posted on 03/07/2007 4:19:33 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Night Hides Not
You do not understand the distinction that I'm making (and it's a conservative one). Roads are not an essential function of government in the same way the Post Office is not. The rule is, can the private sector perform the task or function more efficiently?

You are using national defense as an excuse . . . unless you are willing to demonstrate how the private operation of a road negatively impacts our national security.

41 posted on 03/10/2007 6:42:00 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Ben Ficklin

The 65-mile system he's referring to, IIRC, is the portion that I mistakenly identified as public funding only. There is some private funding involved. The PPP I was referring to, on the other hand, was the separate southern section of SH 130, which will be financed and built by Cintra and Zachry.


42 posted on 03/10/2007 9:19:38 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Republican primary field SUCKS!!!)
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To: wolfcreek
"Exactly! Makes me wonder......"

You have the key phrases, PPP & CDA, why don't you google them?

43 posted on 03/11/2007 5:41:54 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

See post #28 and #32


44 posted on 03/12/2007 4:24:16 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Semi-Conservatism Won't Cut It)
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To: wolfcreek
Certainly there is a traditional and technical definition for PPP. But PPP is also being used as jargon.

If we were going to be precise, we would identify a project as a PPP, then a CDA, and then which particular CDA, and since there are still going to be differences, we would have to turn to the book-length contract. Of course that is not practical.

Instead, we look at a particular project to determine whether it rises above a degree of objection or level of controversy. If so we use the jargon PPP to describe it.

While all of 130 is a CDA, only 2 segments are concessions. At the same time, TTC 35 is a CDA but not a concession. But they both rise above the level, so we call them by the PPP jargon.

Thus, TSR, I, and others can use the term and know what we are talking about, with out going thru a 60 word of 600 page description.

This doesn't mean that you have to do it. You are entitled to your semantical argument to muddy the water.

45 posted on 03/12/2007 11:01:03 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

"You are entitled to your semantical argument to muddy the water."


Thanks Ben! All I did was clearup a few facts for people that don't live in my area. Call it what you want.


Heard a little new info on the TTC. (were rumors) Seems the contract has non-compete clauses and if We should decide to buy it back before the terms of the lease are up, Cintra would expect current free market value.


46 posted on 03/12/2007 12:57:34 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Semi-Conservatism Won't Cut It)
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To: wolfcreek
Yes, and from the released docs, it is very much like the non-compete on 130.

Should the state build and operate the TTC toll road, there would be a non-compete clause.

47 posted on 03/12/2007 2:26:35 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Parts of 130 may end up being sections of the TTC, so that much is sure. Do you believe the non-compete clause is a good thing?


48 posted on 03/12/2007 2:58:22 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Semi-Conservatism Won't Cut It)
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To: wolfcreek
It is neither good or bad, it is a fact of life. Without it, the road doesn't get built.

Would you borrow the money to build a road across your property with the intention of charging to use it, then build a free one next to it?

Of course you won't. Cintra won't. The State won't.

49 posted on 03/12/2007 3:07:33 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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Cintra can blow me! If they think they can charge the tolls necessary to pay for this road and actually get anyone to drive on it, I'll be surprised. Perry has already wasted millions of $$$ in taxpayer money to lure Cintra and others to the table after saying NO TAXPAYER MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT. He's got former staffers and other cronies involved in every facet of state financing, insurance, and foreign investment. IMO, he's out of political clout.


50 posted on 03/12/2007 3:21:54 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Semi-Conservatism Won't Cut It)
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The way things work, I imagine it will be you blowing Cintra. And if not Cintra, a state agency.


51 posted on 03/12/2007 3:57:27 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: 1rudeboy
Roads are not an essential function of government in the same way the Post Office is not. The rule is, can the private sector perform the task or function more efficiently?

I just finished reading the new P.J. O'Rourke book, On The Wealth Of Nations. Talking about pork barrel politics, on page 137, "Public services are never better performed than when their reward comes only in consequence of their being performed, and is proportioned to the diligence employed in performing them".

That Adam Smith knew what he was talking about!

52 posted on 03/14/2007 9:17:16 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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