Immigration debate sours for illegals

AP on Yahoo ^ | 4/12/07 | Julie Hirschfeld Davis - ap

[Leatherneck_MT]

“He’s probably trying to keep the hard-liners from going third party next year. “Yeah, sure, we agree with you! Vote Republican! We’ll get the immigrants out THIS year, I swear!”

Been hearing that (and other things) for far too long. I no longer believe it until I see it happen.

[Laptop_Ron]

Not only non-enforcement, but outright rewarding of breaking the laws.

Can you imagine any other group of lawbreakers having the cojones to march in american cities and call for their ‘rights’? Just to state the obvious, if they aren’t here legally they have no rights.

[Colorado Doug]

please don't tell me you want every law on the books rigorously enforced. It would turn the US into hell on earth.

Every law should be enforced or taken off the books. Written law cannot and must not be ignored, arbitrarily or selectively enforced or it's not law at all. It then becomes only a tool of despotic government.

[LongElegantLegs]

Fool me once, etc.
I think we’re going to end up with a Democrat in the White house, and I’ve reconciled myself to it. The Republicans have just given the finger to the conservatives one too many times. They treat us like the crazy aunt...A little sweet talk, a couple of cookies when they need us, then they shove us back into the attic when the elections are over.
Hmm, I think I’ll start referring to myself as a “Crazy Aunt Conservative”.

[Laptop_Ron]

“Crazy Aunt Conservative” is a little clunky. How about just “Crazy Legs”? :)

[LongElegantLegs]

That sounds like some kind of degenerative disorder. :-P

[Laptop_Ron]

LOL. Yeah, it kinda does, now that you mention it.
Still like it better, so :P back at you.

[HiJinx]

Ping!

[Tzimisce]

What - we’re not planning on giving them green cookies as a part of their pardons?

[staytrue]

I think we’re going to end up with a Democrat in the White house, and I’ve reconciled myself to it. The Republicans have just given the finger to the conservatives one too many times. They treat us like the crazy aunt

I have reconciled myself to a democrat winning too. I'm a realist/moderate and I think you are the crazy aunt who has decided it is all or nothing. As a result, you and I both will get nothing. 2006 pretty much proved that.

[LongElegantLegs]

I think you are the crazy aunt who has decided it is all or nothing.

I voted straight Republican in 2006...And "our guy" won. Yay. He must have misplaced all of his campaign material during the victory party, though, because he's acting like a complete jackass, and I feel like kicking myself for voting in a guy who is so at odds with everything I believe in. If the Republicans need the right-wing, Bible-thumping, gun-toting vote, well, then they'll nominate a guy we can vote for.

[LongElegantLegs]

Off topic note: Googling ‘crazy legs’ brings up some interesting results...

[GenuineChocolateFace]

Hmmm... Amnistia? I’d be more inclined to give that idea some thought, if they’d at LEAST have the courtesy to protest in f****** ENGLISH.

[staytrue]

If the Republicans need the right-wing, Bible-thumping, gun-toting vote, well, then they'll nominate a guy we can vote for.

This is exactly what I mean when I say "all or nothing"

[Kimberly GG]

"The White House has floated a proposal that would require illegal immigrants to pay fines as high as $10,000, face long waits and return to their home countries in order to be eligible for citizenship..."

"A bipartisan House measure introduced earlier this year would add a new mandate that undocumented immigrants go home before gaining legal status...."


If it is true, as Bush has stated, that it is impossible to round up and deport all the illegal aliens and our borders continue to remain unsecured, exactly HOW does he propose to enforce any of this? If he can't force 30plus million illegal aliens to leave the country now, how does he expect to force them to leave under his plan?

Will it be that their continued employment here will depend on their doing so? Does he suddenly expect that Employers will begin to obey the law? That the Federal Government will suddenly begin to enforce the law? If all of this is possible with CIR, why isn't it possible without CIR?


"There are plenty of Democrats who would rather just walk away and say the Republicans are racist, and the Hispanics will vote for us, and then we'll do something" after the 2008 elections, said Tamar Jacoby..."

Good. Let them walk away til 2008. And when Duncan Hunter is President, the border will be effective secured and our CURRENT immigration laws will be enforced, causing illegal aliens to self deport.

[LongElegantLegs]

Well alright, then, we understand each other. :-)

[Kimberly GG]

“I think you are the crazy aunt who has decided it is all or nothing. As a result, you and I both will get nothing. 2006 pretty much proved that.”

When it comes to the sovereignty and security of our country, you betcha....there is no middle ground. You do everything in your power to keep it, or you give it away. You’re either part of the problem or part of the solution.

Your attitude is like the greedy uncle who has taken the middle ground so that he can continue to line his pockets. All or nothing and attempts at election shame are nothing but OBL rhetoric. May as well be playing the race card. Won’t work on anyone I know.

[staytrue]

there is no middle ground

Like I said in post 71. I'm a realist and when 2008 comes, we will lose. When it is all or nothing, it will be nothing.

[Kimberly GG]

"I'm a realist and when 2008 comes, we will lose. When it is all or nothing, it will be nothing."


Hopefully, there are a majority of conservative americans who do not hold such a pi$$ poor attitude, and I'm not sure 'realist' is the word I'd use for it.... which makes me wonder if you're definition of 'losing' would be the election of a President who effectively secures our borders and enforces our current immigration laws? Exactly what is it you want and are working for or against?