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Let's be Competitive — Free the Fed!
MoneyNews.com (Newsmax) ^ | May 30, 2007 | John Browne

Posted on 05/30/2007 9:47:17 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: rednesss

Maybe you can use your Wikipedia skills to show me a source for Wilson’s apparent “I have unwittingly ruined my country” quote. Or did you make that up to?


61 posted on 05/30/2007 1:16:10 PM PDT by Fan of Fiat
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To: rednesss
And lets talk about that act of Congress, undertaken just prior to the Christmas break when many of the members of Congress had already gone home

They voted before they left.

62 posted on 05/30/2007 1:26:17 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so dumb?)
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To: rednesss
Hmmm...

Its not here...

Have your "sources" been spouting disinformation again?

Dumb people are often susceptible to falling for that sort of thing.

63 posted on 05/30/2007 1:28:32 PM PDT by Fan of Fiat
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To: Fan of Fiat

And poor debaters often resort to name calling when they run out of brain power. As do Democrats quite often.


64 posted on 05/30/2007 1:30:50 PM PDT by rednesss
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Yes because in 1913 when it might have been a 3 or 4 day train ride back home for Christmas, they would have stuck around for the House vote on 12-22-1913 and the Senate vote on 12-23-1913. Now it overwhelmingly passed in the House, but the Senate vote was 43 yeas, 25 nays, and the rest not voting. I haven’t found an exact number yet, but in 1913 there were 48 states so I assume there were 96 Senators so that leaves 28 not voting, more than enough to have voted it down. Also I find it hard to believe that a bill could be voted on by the House on the 22nd, by the Senate on the 23rd, the two bills reconciled with each other, and the President signs it into law on the 23rd as well. None of this sounds fishy to you??? And you are the self-proclaimed intelligencia????


65 posted on 05/30/2007 1:46:37 PM PDT by rednesss
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To: rednesss
Now it overwhelmingly passed in the House, but the Senate vote was 43 yeas, 25 nays, and the rest not voting. I haven’t found an exact number yet, but in 1913 there were 48 states so I assume there were 96 Senators so that leaves 28 not voting, more than enough to have voted it down.

If it was that important and they were all going to vote against, they should have stayed. But they weren't all going to vote against.

Also I find it hard to believe that a bill could be voted on by the House on the 22nd, by the Senate on the 23rd, the two bills reconciled with each other, and the President signs it into law on the 23rd as well.

They used to be more efficient back then.

None of this sounds fishy to you???

No.

And you are the self-proclaimed intelligencia????

I'm smarter than you. Not a very high hurdle.

66 posted on 05/30/2007 1:52:20 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so dumb?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I’m glad you think so, humility seems to be your strong point as well. Don’t let your wrists get tired slapping yourself on the back. They used to be more efficient back then, you’re either obtuse or unable to take off your blinders.


67 posted on 05/30/2007 2:00:31 PM PDT by rednesss
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To: rednesss
Well you are a great debater so you should know.

Lets look at your convincing argument:

Oh my, yes they have to answer some soft-ball questions every once in awhile. There has never been an audit of the Federal Reserve system. Ooops, not true

And lets talk about that act of Congress, undertaken just prior to the Christmas break when many of the members of Congress had already gone home, it was 1913, no 777’s to jet back and forth on. Ooops, not true again, (if your inference was that it only passed because senators had gone home, forty eight votes plus the tie-breaking vote of vice-President Thomas Marshall would have been sufficient to approve the bill even if all absent votes not already on record had been cast against the bill... And the house approved 298-60.)

Signed by Woodrow Wilson who later said, “I have unwittingly ruined my country”. Ooops, not true once again

It all sounds so on the up and up.

Great debater - Just not too good with the facts.

68 posted on 05/30/2007 2:01:59 PM PDT by Fan of Fiat
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To: rednesss
I’m glad you think so, humility seems to be your strong point as well

It's obvious from your posts that you're not very bright. I loved the "We pay the Fed $1 trillion each year". That was classic.

They used to be more efficient back then, you’re either obtuse or unable to take off your blinders.

So why did the 28 Senators leave without voting?

69 posted on 05/30/2007 2:02:23 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so dumb?)
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To: Fan of Fiat
What??? The Senate bill got 43 yeas, not 48. Ooops, not true.

The quote that I found was:" I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.

Allegedly said in 1916 so it will be next to impossible to find concrete proof on Youtube.

The OIG audits I believe are of the Board of Governor's which is only one part of the Federal Reserve System. That'd be like saying the CIA was audited based upon the accounting done at their cafeteria. Let's agree to disagree at this point before more ugly ad hominem attacks are hurled by you and your tag team partner. In my opinion either your last name is Rockefeller or your paycheck comes from the Federal Reserve.

70 posted on 05/30/2007 2:32:05 PM PDT by rednesss
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To: rednesss

I never said it got 48 votes. I said it needed 48. I posted a link to the google image of Wilsons book that contains your supposed quote. Note the first two sentences you got from your source are not there. You shouldn’t believe all the crap spouted on conspiracy theory websites.


72 posted on 05/30/2007 2:47:45 PM PDT by Fan of Fiat
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To: rednesss
Christmas, at least on my calendar, normally falls on 12-25 every year.

And they left knowing this incredibly important bill (that you think they'd have voted against) would pass?

Either way I forgot the cardinal rule of the internets:

There's more than one? That is a cute picture of you.

73 posted on 05/30/2007 2:48:35 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so dumb?)
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To: rednesss; Fan of Fiat
The House, on December 22, 1913, agreed to the conference report on the Federal Reserve Act by a vote of 298 yeas to 60 nays with 76 not voting. The Senate, on December 23, 1913, agreed to it by a vote of 43 yeas to 25 nays with 27 not voting. The record shows that there were no Democrats voting “nay” in the Senate and only two in the House. The record also shows that almost all of those not voting on the bill had previously declared their intentions and were paired with members of opposite intentions.

Merry Christmas!

74 posted on 05/30/2007 2:59:07 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so dumb?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Sigh:

"Internets" (sometimes "internets") is a Bushism-turned-catch phrase used humorously to portray the speaker as ignorant about the Internet or about technology in general, or as having a provincial or folksy attitude toward technology (in a similar fashion to portrayals of rednecks' referring to television as "the tee-vee box"). United States President George W. Bush had used the improper pluralization of the word "Internet" publicly during the 2000 election. However, the term gained cachet as an Internet humor meme only following Bush's use of the term in the second presidential election debate on October 8, 2004.

75 posted on 05/30/2007 3:00:37 PM PDT by rednesss
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Once again Wikipedia FTW.


76 posted on 05/30/2007 3:01:33 PM PDT by rednesss
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To: rednesss

That picture says far more about YOU than anyone else. You ought to be ashamed.


77 posted on 05/30/2007 3:04:21 PM PDT by Petronski (Excuse me while I whip this out.)
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To: rednesss

Great, let me know when you find a real source. LOL!


78 posted on 05/30/2007 3:04:43 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so dumb?)
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To: rednesss
In my opinion either your last name is Rockefeller or your paycheck comes from the Federal Reserve.

Part of the $1 trillion we pay to the Fed each year? LOL!

When I laugh at your silliness, is that an ad hominem attack?

79 posted on 05/30/2007 3:07:23 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so dumb?)
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To: Petronski

This from a guy with a schlong joke as his signature. Please.


80 posted on 05/30/2007 3:09:39 PM PDT by rednesss
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