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The Gay Shibboleth - Opposition to homosexual behavior may now be a bar to high office
Christianity Today ^ | August 2007

Posted on 07/14/2007 12:24:48 PM PDT by madprof98

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To: Mrs. Don-o
Or have we “recently learned” that on the basis of anatomy and physiological function, the male penis was designed to be shoved up the male anus?

I missed the announcement of that research finding. Maybe the libs will let us know which scientific journal it was in.

41 posted on 07/15/2007 10:02:40 AM PDT by Murray the R
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To: Murray the R; Arthur McGowan; The Ghost of FReepers Past
"Will good Christians strive to make anything illegal related to homosexuality"

Just for starters ---point one in a 25-point plan --- I'd like the criminal penalty for sodomizing a boy to be akin to the penalty for murder.

42 posted on 07/15/2007 10:37:31 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: fwdude

oh yes, but not a majority.


43 posted on 07/15/2007 11:47:04 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I'd like the criminal penalty for sodomizing a boy to be akin to the penalty for murder.

And also the raping of a girl?

44 posted on 07/16/2007 6:34:58 PM PDT by Murray the R
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To: Murray the R; The Ghost of FReepers Past; Arthur McGowan
"I'd like the criminal penalty for sodomizing a boy to be akin to the penalty for murder."...And also the raping of a girl?

You've set me thinking. There should be different degrees of rape (not just statutory and forcible, but first, second, and third degree of this, and first, second, and third degree of that.) So the answer is "yes," for the most serious category.

45 posted on 07/17/2007 6:01:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Raping a girl is less serious than raping a boy? As the father of a girl I must take strong exception to that.
46 posted on 08/03/2007 5:31:50 PM PDT by Murray the R
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To: Murray the R
"Raping a girl is less serious than raping a boy?"

What? I didn't say that. Here's what I DID say:

"There should be different degrees of rape (not just statutory and forcible, but first, second, and third degree of this, and first, second, and third degree of that.) So the answer is "yes," for the most serious category."

There are degrees of badness, even among different crimes which are already damnably bad. My thought here is that there could be first, second, third degrees of rape; also that the badness of it can be mitigated or exasperated by circumstances.

For instance: aggravating factors would include (but not be limited to) the use of threat, force, or drugs/alcohol to take down the victim, or the assailant being in a position of authority (teacher, minister, doctor) or in loco parentis guardianship over the victim; the assailant being knowingly HIV+ or carrying some other infectious disease; serial offenses.

Mitigating factors would include (but not be limited to) lack of mental capacity on the part of the assailant, ambiguous consent/nonconsent on the part of the victim... hmm... hard to think of mitigating factors.

Anyhow, rape of a girl is especially serious because she could be impregnated against her will; rape of a boy is particularly serious because it can mess him sexually for the rest of his life.

The mose serious penalties in either case (rape of female or male) should be akin to the penaties for murder.

47 posted on 08/04/2007 5:50:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarfication.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
What? I didn't say that.

On rereading, you certainly didn't. My apologies ... I'm not sure what part of "yes" I didn't understand. :-(

48 posted on 08/04/2007 11:48:55 AM PDT by Murray the R
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To: Murray the R

Thank you for a graceful apology. It’s -— in the context of Freeperdom -— so refreshing. :o)


49 posted on 08/04/2007 11:58:24 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarfication.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Will good Christians strive to make anything illegal related to homosexuality"

Just for starters ---point one in a 25-point plan --- I'd like the criminal penalty for sodomizing a boy to be akin to the penalty for murder.

Since you'd make the penalty for raping a girl equally stern, that appears to be a "no" to my original question.

50 posted on 08/04/2007 12:03:06 PM PDT by Murray the R
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To: Murray the R
"Will good Christians strive to make anything illegal related to homosexuality"

Well, the question illustrates the ambiguity of words. I don't know what you mean by "anything related to homosexuality."

Hey, I'm related to homosexuality inasmuch as I'm related to a couple of troubled relatives.

So, could you be more specific?

51 posted on 08/04/2007 1:50:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarfication.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Will good Christians strive to make, for example, homosexual acts illegal?
52 posted on 08/21/2007 6:36:46 PM PDT by Murray the R
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To: Murray the R
"Seems to me that He wants only that we remain pure, and proclaim the truth in and out of season ... and nothing prevents us from continuing to do those things."

Your insight reminds me of something Mother Teresa said: "God did not call me to be successful. He called meto be faithful."

53 posted on 08/22/2007 5:20:43 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (L'Chaim.)
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To: Murray the R
"Will good Christians strive to make, for example, homosexual acts illegal?"

Yes. I'll get bold and give a "yes" to that. For anal sodomy, anyway, since that is an intrinsically abusive act even in the medical sense. But that's not going to be accomplished quickly or soon. In the short term, I'd like a serious crackdown in every city in the U.S. on anonymous gay sex at public restrooms and public parks.

That would be objectively protective of the lives and wellbeing of gay men, and, as well, would free our cities from obnoxious and dangerous public indecencies.

54 posted on 08/22/2007 5:37:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (L'Chaim.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
For anal sodomy, anyway, since that is an intrinsically abusive act even in the medical sense.

Would you apply that law to heterosexuals as well? If not, why not?

But that's not going to be accomplished quickly or soon. In the short term, I'd like a serious crackdown in every city in the U.S. on anonymous gay sex at public restrooms and public parks.

Would you let straight sex be legal at public restrooms and public parks?

55 posted on 08/31/2007 12:52:46 PM PDT by Murray the R
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To: Murray the R
As I noted, anal sodomy is an intrinsically abusive act even in the medical sense. Of course that applies to heterosexual anuses too. (What did you think???)

I wrote: I'd like a serious crackdown in every city in the U.S. on anonymous gay sex at public restrooms and public parks.

You wrote: Would you let straight sex be legal at public restrooms and public parks?

What? Are you kidding? Let me make it clear: No man on woman, no woman on woman, no man on man, no human on squirrel, duck, goose, raccoon, no sex, no way, in no public place, no, no, and no.

Any questions?

56 posted on 08/31/2007 3:39:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Pleased to be of service.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
As I noted, anal sodomy is an intrinsically abusive act even in the medical sense. Of course that applies to heterosexual anuses too. (What did you think???)

So you'd ban anal sodomy between a husband and wife? And you consider this a conservative policy?

I wrote: I'd like a serious crackdown in every city in the U.S. on anonymous gay sex at public restrooms and public parks.

You wrote: Would you let straight sex be legal at public restrooms and public parks?

What? Are you kidding? Let me make it clear: No man on woman [...]

So you'd make some homosexual acts illegal only in the same sense that it's illegal for homosexuals, like heterosexuals, to rob banks. Got it.

57 posted on 09/04/2007 2:57:42 PM PDT by Murray the R
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To: Murray the R
It's difficult for sodomy or any other abusive act between a husband and wife to be proscribed by law, because there would be no one to bring charges if it was consensual. And if it wasn't consensual --- if it was rape ---the wife would probably have a heck of a time proving there was not consent, unless she had other injuries (meaning something other than the usual abrasions of the anus: for instance, choke marks around her throat, or a broken jaw.)

However, I believe that anyone who is sodomized --- including a wife --- ought to in theory be able to bring charges. Then it's their job to convince the jury.

58 posted on 09/04/2007 4:19:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Do the right thing.)
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To: madprof98
The Bush administration didn't exactly rush to Holsinger's defense.

This Administration makes Chamberlain look like Churchill.

59 posted on 09/04/2007 4:25:56 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It's difficult for sodomy or any other abusive act between a husband and wife to be proscribed by law, because there would be no one to bring charges if it was consensual. [...] However, I believe that anyone who is sodomized --- including a wife --- ought to in theory be able to bring charges.

Even if it was consensual but she later regretted it and decided to bring charges?

60 posted on 09/05/2007 11:56:50 AM PDT by Murray the R
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