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Does the Bible have a place in public schools
LA Times ^ | 5 August 2007 | Seema Mehta,

Posted on 08/05/2007 1:39:05 PM PDT by shrinkermd

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To: dsc
ID proponents never try to hide the fact that they’re talking about God.

When the textbook wording used in Kansas was altered from "creationism" to "Intelligent Design" it constituted a deliberate attempt to hide the fact that they were talking about God. Creationism was determined by the courts to be "religion" and thus could not be taught as science. The hope was that ID would be accepted as non-religious "science" that could be legally taught. The scheme falls right in line with the plan published in the "Wedge Document".

41 posted on 08/09/2007 1:01:34 PM PDT by narby
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To: shrinkermd

yes—it should... just as literature alone, it ought to be studied... i know they are going to teach it as religion, but it does deserve to be studied...


42 posted on 08/09/2007 1:22:10 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: MrB
Oh, I know.

But right now Islam is pretty much being snuck in the back door by useful idiots or traitors, take your pick.

Letting the Bible back into the schools through the front door opens that door wide enough to drive a truckload of Islamists in along with Wiccans, Santaria, Shinto and every other rock and toad worshipper sharp enough to game the system.

Diversity sucks, bedlam ensues.

Keep all religions out of K-12 and leave Comparitive Religion to the university.

43 posted on 08/09/2007 1:50:16 PM PDT by metesky (Brought To You By Satriales Aerosol PorkChop Mist - The Finest New Jersey Has To Offer!)
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To: metesky

I agree with your likely result, but I don’t agree that we should keep Judaeo-Christian morals and culture out of our schools. Someone needs to grow some balls and tell them that THIS IS OUR CULTURE, and it’s what we’re going to teach.

I’m not exposing my kids to the publik skools, and, “as for me and my house, we will follow the Lord”.


44 posted on 08/09/2007 2:05:54 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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We'll never keep Judeo-Christian culture out of the scools. It is our American culture and the kids live and breathe it.

Now, let me say this slowly so you will understand: Constitutionally, if we let one religion in to the schools, we let 'em all in to the schools.

Times have changed in the fifty years since we said the Lord's Prayer every morning, which anyway was a monumental waste of time.

45 posted on 08/09/2007 2:36:13 PM PDT by metesky (Brought To You By Satriales Aerosol PorkChop Mist - The Finest New Jersey Has To Offer!)
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“Constitutionally, if we let one religion in to the schools, we let ‘em all in to the schools.”

I don’t think that’s true at all.

If we look at original intent, surely the founders never intended Mohammedism to be accepted as a religion on a par with Chrisitanity or Judaism. And that’s even truer of witchcraft and other satanist cults. It would be quite reasonable to adopt their view.

“which anyway was a monumental waste of time.”

Sorry you think so.


46 posted on 08/09/2007 3:18:07 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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“When the textbook wording used in Kansas was altered from “creationism” to “Intelligent Design” it constituted a deliberate attempt to hide the fact that they were talking about God.”

Dude, that’s not even rational. Everybody knows that Intelligent Design presumes a Designer.


47 posted on 08/09/2007 3:20:05 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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Everybody knows that Intelligent Design presumes a Designer.

But "everybody" knows that designs may come from any intelligent being, not just God. A green man from Mars might have designed humans. So IDers can, and regularly do, claim that their ideas have nothing whatever to do with religious faith.

48 posted on 08/09/2007 4:18:10 PM PDT by narby
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“But “everybody” knows that designs may come from any intelligent being, not just God. A green man from Mars might have designed humans.”

Well, no, everybody doesn’t know that. There are probably some whackos who would spout that nonsense, I guess.

“So IDers can, and regularly do, claim that their ideas have nothing whatever to do with religious faith.”

Funny how I’ve never seen that.


49 posted on 08/09/2007 5:07:31 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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Funny how I’ve never seen that.

Been done many times on FR crevo threads.

50 posted on 08/09/2007 5:23:37 PM PDT by narby
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I would remind everyone that “intelligent design” does exist in our own experience—just look at a Chihuahua and an Irish Wolf Hound. They were taken by humans from the wild dog family and gradually designed to be the dogs they are today.

You may say they still can interbreed and humans did not actual design the dogs since they just selected them for certain characteristics that eventually bred true. Yet, surely no one can dispute they were, in a way, "designed."

51 posted on 08/09/2007 5:26:15 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: narby

“Been done many times on FR crevo threads.”

Got a link?


52 posted on 08/09/2007 5:34:32 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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Got a link?

I knew that would be next. You believe I am a liar, making up conversations I've had over the last few years.

Frankly, I'm not that familiar with FR search techniques that could pull up that kind of conversation, and I'm not going to work hard at figuring that out and finding the needle in a haystack just to avoid your accusations. Believe what you will.

53 posted on 08/09/2007 7:02:09 PM PDT by narby
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“You believe I am a liar”

Now, that’s not fair.


54 posted on 08/09/2007 7:14:33 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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