Posted on 08/22/2007 12:15:24 PM PDT by Anti-Hillary
“Those lucrative contracts are not only the reason for us still being in Iraq but they were the reason for us going in there in the first place.”
In reality, (ie, not in the Ron-Paul-blame-America-first world), the reasons for going into Iraq were clearly articulated in the congressional authorization. Your attempts to peddle your conspiritorial psycho-babble on a conservative forum are in vain.
“Saddam is dead that was the mission.”
A ficticous claim on your part. Did you even read our objectives regarding Operation Iraqi Freedom?
“Stop moving the goals and changing our agenda Mr Bush! “
Stop spewing conspiritorial psycho-babble, Mr. Ron Paul Fan! We are doing nothing now that hasn’t already been sanctioned by congress in ‘03. The goals and agenda have not changed.
Oh, how naive you are.
Your attempts to peddle your conspiritorial psycho-babble on a conservative forum are in vain.
I'm not peddling anything to anybody. You believe what you want to believe and I'll believe my judgment based on what I see.
Oh I see. Then explain Jimmy Duncan's position on Iraq. Jimmy Duncan the son of late congressman John J Duncan SR. He is by no means conspiratorial but bases his votes and speeches on good old fashioned Conservative common sense.
Now I bet you dollars to donuts that if a DEM had taken us to Iraq under the conditions we are now you would be saying the exact same thing I am against the DEM. I support good Conservative Republicans. I'll not support a RINO with bad ideas and policy anymore than I would a DEM. It's not conspiracy it's just good old fashioned corrupt politics as usual in Washington DC amongst DEM and GOP alike. Most people don't get mad about it as long as it's their party doing it. Which is why Reid, Murtha etc are mad now. Bush vs Gore for example. Bush told you plainly he and Gore were not that far apart on most issues. On that Bush was telling us the truth.
I do support Ron Paul for POTUS. I would vote for Tancredo or Duncan Hunter as well in the general. I'm also still waiting to see who the Constitution Party might run. I am not supporting the top choices in the polls. No Rudy for me. Mitt should be Night Manager at Kerry's House of Waffles. John McCain forget it. Fred Thompson aka John McCain without the temper? LOL Man you think supporters of Ron Paul are gullible? People in FR have very short and selective memories about Fred Thompson.
Fred likely could not have won against Bob Clement for reelection. His series was gonna be canceled in the senate. His state was done with him over the impeachment fiasco where Fred rolled over and played dead not to mention his Not Guilty vote on Perjury.
You see this was the same man who years before had taken down a felon governor in our state. Nope Fred is Bob Dole 2 which is what will happen if he gets the nod. The DEMs though hope either Fred or Rudy win the GOP primaries so either way they win in the general election just has they have since Reagan left office.
As for our War in Iraq? Look at the blasted Authorization of use of Force. It's a joke. What is worse there were many other nations more deserving of some payback for 9/11 much more so than Iraq but Bush even before 9/11 was itching for a war in Iraq. Saddam needed a Letter of Marque and or Reprisal and a price put on his head for some agents of opportunity to take advantage of.
Not a single attacker on 9/11 came from Iraq. I am for taking out terrorist. There were much bigger fish in the pond who had much more to do with it than Saddam. But I supported taking out Saddam as we did with reservations. I do not support the rebuilding or our nation building of Iraq PERIOD!
I read it or the authorization of force. Nice to know the United Nations now comes first over the United States Constitution. You know we declared a World War on two paragraphs which even a 2nd grader could understand. We authorized troops in Iraq to uphold UN resolutions whatever and it took how many paragraphs? Over 30 so I stopped counting. As well what word is mentioned the most? United Nations at least 21 times.
I have an idea me and you would never see eye to eye on what war is and how it should be fought either. Let's put it this way. I believe if we went to war with Iraq that the nation should still be smoldering in ruins incapable of ever again in several generations of becoming a threat to anyone. Either do it right or stay home. Bush and congress did neither.
BTW it was W who was strutting around saying we were in Iraq to remove Saddam.
Pray for W and Our Troops
It is and it does. But rather than dealing head on with our congress and trhe fringe enviromentalist who have and begin drilling our own oil we do what? Even Jeb stopped it remember? BTW if the Bush's don't wish to be seen as having personal interest in certain business areas then perhaps they should have cut those ties perhaps? Not just the M.E. but China as well. But they are very slow learners on that issue it seems yes very slow indeed.
It is and it does. But rather than dealing head on with our congress and the fringe enviromentalist who have stopped drilling and building of more refineries and begin drilling our own oil we do what? Even Jeb stopped it remember? BTW if the Bush’s don’t wish to be seen as having personal interest in certain business areas then perhaps they should have cut those ties perhaps? Not just the M.E. but China as well. But they are very slow learners on that issue it seems yes very slow indeed.
This guy is the leader of a duly elected sovereign government. At least that's what we say. Seems to me if Condi and Pelosi and the local dogcatcher can go tango with Assad, his next door neighbor can too. As for timetables, they are bunk to begin with. But this speech imo is meant for internal consumption. Maliki knows he needs us.
There is no political will in the USA to become energy independent. What I would do is to build nuclear power plants near the border in Mexico and then export the surplus power to us.
Only one problem on the practical side of it. They require lots of cooler water and flowing streams or lakes etc for the most part. TVA had to shut down one last week due to high discharge temps on the cooling water side. Building nukes within the U.S. in general isn't catching the political fallout that drilling for oil and building refineries do which right now is what we need. Even more so a decade down the road. That is the key to getting us away from M.E. politics. We need the northern slope of Alaska opened to drilling and the Florida coast as well. Even my state Tennessee has some oil wells in it.
The terrorist can be dealt with by existing laws and means. We got into the terrorism mess because Ford took covert assassinations off the table in dealing with foreign heads of state even though the Constitution allows for this method. Carter then rubber stamped it. We need to learn from our own and others mistakes when dealing with terrorist.
Remember Russia chased Bin Ladden for years in the same region. We need a different tactic to get him like a local mercenary. Our troops are doing their best but they stick out like a sore thumb and he can see them or know about them coming for miles.
I would say build the oil refineries in Mexico but that too defeats the purpose. Their government is corrupt at best and we need to control our own energy policies. We've become a nation too dependent on others for our existence and needs to be met. It is to the point we are doing regular business with those we are most likely to face in war including giving them our technology.
You are not being rational w respect to the Bushes ties with oil interests. You seem to think that cutting all ties with anybody associated w oil would somehow be meaningful. Life is complicated. For my part I have come to believe our current President is primarily driven by what he believes is right. He disregards poll numbers. He disregards his entire standing. If you accept that most politicians and people in general care about their legacy and how they are percieved then it is apparent that President Bush values his perception of right above how people feel about him. If you also accept that they are set for life financially then you can’t question his motives as you did earlier. Now you have moved on to why doesn’t he address other issues such as drilling domestically again implying ulterior motives addressed above. You should step back a minute and consider what is reasonably attainable in our current environment. We all have things we’d like to do differently and most on this board would agree with you. I would suggest that doesn’t translate into dubious motives for our current actions.
You guys just never give up, do ya? LOL!
Ok so I reckon then we can say it was fine for Clintons family to use their position to influence Slick Willie. The China business deals etc. I know then you had no problem with that right? We can also say it was just dandy that they held files on people using the DOJ to obtain information right? And we can say that since Bill Clinton was for nation building we should be too then right? Funny thing Bush in 2000 BEFORE being elected was against it and blasted Gore for the Clinton Administration doing it. But everything I guess changed in what Conservatives are supposed to stand for when GW Bush was elected POTUS.
His two terms have been a royal disaster. He has used the WOT and Trade to expand or try to expand his powers beyond limits set forth in the Constitution. He has allowed the DOJ in a Clinton fashion t begin building databases on law abiding citizens on everything from web surfing habits to medical records. But it's OK because a Republican is doing it and not those disgusting DEM's? If Bush was a Republican 90% of FR would had be calling for his impeachment.
Some Republicans never learn. 1996 the GOP had a mandate given them in 1994 with the biggest wins in history so what does it do? Bob Dole!! With all the qualified Conservatives the GOP has who is being pushed for 2008? John McCain, John McCain thinkalike Thompson, Wudy Wed Dwess, and Mitt night manager of Kerry's house of waffles Romney. The Conservatives get shoved aside yet again and Freepers are helping the RINO's doing the pushing.
If the GOP does not get it's collective act together within the next few months it will see the same magnitude of losses handed it the DEMs saw in 1994 as well as the White House. The GOP needs to stop pretending it's RINO's are Conservatives and act accordingly. When Republicans want Arnoid the Kennedy in a federal office that is a sign something bad is wrong. Of course people didn't want to hear about Arnoid the Kennedy because he looked so great in the movies. By the time he leaves office Gray Davis will likely look Conservative.
As for disregards Bush has done plenty of them. He has disregarded the Conservative base time after time. He has disregarded anyone who tells him anything he doesn't want to hear. He has surrounded himself with RINO's from failure administrations past making the same mistakes and expecting different results. He is no Reagan he's just like his dad, and his policies in some cases make him look like LBJ the second. If those are the values of Republicans then we are in deep trouble.
I always enjoy your posts...FWIW.
Well let's put it this way. My values didn't change in 2000 just because it was Our Turn to wiz away the Constitution. I still pretty much stand for what I did in 1999 when I came here and in 2000 when I voted for Howard Phillips. {I bet you thought I was a Libertarian huh}.
The current GOP leadership meaning those controlling party policy and the DEMs are taking us in the wrong direction. Either the GOP changes course this election cycle or it may be facing a replacement in the next POTUS election cycle.
With the Internet now replacing the idiot tube as the place for people to get news and information the chains of the RINO's running the GOP and the Liberal MSM will come off. That is something even the greatest party spin Meister's can not stop now. People are getting fed up with having two Democratic Parties and no Conservative voice. Conservative activism moves mountains that liberals try to put in the way. Conservatism won the GOP it's 1994 majority and Liberalism within the GOP will cause the losses. Either the GOP must change or else it will face the same fate of the very party it replaced. The next two election cycles will tell it all.
Thanks. I hope people are ready to live under Hillary or another DEM's turn with all the nice new powers Bush obtained for them. That should be a sobering thought for people to consider. The GOP since 1996 has been it's own worse enemy doing far more damage to itself and nation than the DEM's could have ever inflected had it simply fought back. It didn't have to be that way but the GOP has no spine to stand up to those within the party taking it in a liberal direction.
The love of retaining power at all cost became the driving force over the party instead of the very principles that gave the party it's time in power. The GOP sold it's soul.
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