Posted on 08/22/2007 12:15:24 PM PDT by Anti-Hillary
In 2000 it was The Constitution Party's turn to "wiz away the Constitution?"
What do you mean "our turn?" I'm a Republican. You aren't.
Every phony third-party-voting conservative on this board is a Democrat. You don't speak for me. You don't speak for any actual conservative. Got it?
You’ve always had a wing of the GOP that is liberal...they talk the talk to get yahoos like me to vote for them...but they don’t really believe in smaller govt and the like...i personally know some politicians...do you realize the ego these people have? Do you realize that it’s all about them?...everything is about them...for most not even their family comes before their career in politics...i don’t put much stock in them...what’s the answer...well frankly i don’t know...but i do feel your pain and the powers at be in the GOP would have a cow if Duncan Hunter or Tancredo came into power...they would clip their wings and ruin them...that i believe....Reagan fought those very bastards himself...you know what i mean....at least i think you do.
Let me set you straight on a matter right now. You better be thankful this nation had good men like Howard Phillips who were working in the Conservative Trenches before Ronnie even decided to run for office. The GOP reaped sizable gains because of his activism. I doubt you know enough about it to even know how that came about.
Back when Carter was in office a small group of men all came together to put into action an idea that Paul Weyrich had. Among them was Ed McAteer {likely a name you never heard} he was a retire executive, Howard Phillips, and Jerry Falwell. A rather stranger mixture but it would result in a political change of course for the nation. These were the major brains behind the Conservative Revolution that began during Carter's term. Phillips later went on to found the Conservative Caucus and Taxpayer Party in 1996 and later to become the Constitution Party.
It was Weyrich who after the 1995 takeover was first warning the people something bad was going on within the GOP and he was right.
I still vote GOP most of the time however I have not voted GOP in the POTUS general election since 1996. Bob Dole did it for me. I held my nose that time but no more. You can not win without votes from ones such as me. If you want me to vote for your party then run someone worth voting for howabout it? I've done gave Fred Thompson one vote and I'll never give him another one. I do not trust him in office. I'll not vote for the two N.E. Liberals nor the Open Borders shill from Arizona. Other than that I'll see what the GOP has to offer. I can think of three Republicans currently in the POTUS race I would have no problems voting for in the general election. But I will not vote for a Republican Liberal.
I understand what you are saying and agree with it including their ego's being a major problem. Three Republicans I could vote for in the general are Paul, Tancredo, or Hunter. The others I can't and I won't :>} I want to see another POTUS with the political genius of Reagan expose them for what they are rather than letting them become his master.
No that was the prevailing attitude in the GOP though which led me to vote Independent in 2000.
I want to see another POTUS with the political genius of Reagan expose them for what they are rather than letting them become his master.
Yep...i’m not on anyone’s bandwagon...Rudy-NO, Mitt-NO, McCain-NO, Fred-seems like a retread and they would be his master(still hold some hope though), Hunter-gutsy guy and i’m hopeful, but not much......Paul-well, what can you say, he keeps it interesting, i like a lot he says but he doesn’t have a chance.... I think things will have to REALLY get bad in this country before a third party is viable...JMHO....and yes i hate the thought of holding my nose...the Dole malaise turned my stomach and the coronation of Junior in 2000 woke me the hell up out of my fog....Keep up the good fight...there’s a few of us that know where you are coming from....i’m pretty Paleo so i mostly come on FR for the funny stuff these days :D
They're all worth voting for if Hillary Rodham Clinton is the alternative.
I've done gave Fred Thompson one vote and I'll never give him another one. I do not trust him in office.
Of course you don't!
I'll not vote for the two N.E. Liberals nor the Open Borders shill from Arizona. Other than that I'll see what the GOP has to offer. I can think of three Republicans currently in the POTUS race I would have no problems voting for in the general election. But I will not vote for a Republican Liberal.
What a laugh. The only Republicans you'd vote for are guys who would lose to Hillary Clinton by 20 points.
You might as well vote for her...since you're going to anyway!
Oh my goodness you had to fall back on the old party propaganda fear tactic. LOL. Tell you what. While everybody else in here was predicting W's 2000 landslide I was saying he would either barely win or loose. Why? Because I understood Al Gore politics. Not Al Gore JR but Senior. Al Gore nearly won that election and Bush did not win because of his platform. Gore lost due to scandals. Bush on the other hand told Consrtvatives to go pound sound and the ones who didn't vote third party stayed home. Bush tried to be DEM Lite in 2000 and Gore did just what his Pappy taught him by saying Me Too. It nearly cost Bush two elections.
Now as for Hillary I understand her a lot better than you think I do which is why I say the GOP better get it's act together. Run Rudy? Hillary will run to his right just as Slick Willie did Poppy Bush and Dole. The same with Mitt, McCain, and Thompson. Hillary can without breaking a sweat run to the right of John, Rudy, and Mitt.
Now as for Fred? Here's the problem Fred is not good at political confrontations. He's a genius in the Court Room and a good actor on TV but as an elected leader having to get rough with the other side? Forget it! Hillary will mop the floor with him just as John Glenn did. She won't have to run to the right of him she'll take him head on. Fred doesn't have the political skills to do it. His first term as senator was impressive but it was only a two year term. He had replaced Gore in a special election. It was his second term that was the problem. He would have faced a difficult challenge for a third term.
Fred was a legend in the state. He helped bring down a felon governor who was among other things selling pardons. Which is what made his actions in his second term so questionable. If anyone in the senate was capable of bringing down Clinton it was Fred Thompson. He had the talent and the experience in the private sector. He could not adapt his private sector talents to the senate. If the excuse the DEMs ran rough shod over him is used to excuse it then how in the world is that man going to deal with hard cores like Teddy K?
His unwillingness to go ahead and face his political opponents within the party tells me Fred hasn't changed a bit. He's waiting as long as possible so he faces opposition within the party for a short of time as possible. It isn't to save money it is so ones like Paul, Hunter, and Tancredo have limited time to debate him. I doubt he could beat Rudy in a debate myself.
The Fred is da man drive is much like the Bush is da man drive a bunch of hype and Fred can't hold up to it. The "Let the chips fall where they may" was the Fred Thompson who took down the governor. The Don't name any names" was the Fred Thompson who lacked the spine to back up his own word. The bad part of it is when Republicans figure this out it will be past the primaries.
Duncan Hunter has the skills to take on Hillary and the Conservative record to stand on as does Ron Paul. Ron Paul in a one on one debate with Hillary? That would be HER worse nightmare. The man is not an idiot he answers all questions fully asked asked of him and doesn't beat around the bush doing so. He is likely the most brilliant one running but some want to make this a beauty pageant or a high school level popularity race. I look for substance on issues and voting records as well as how they handle their personal life when I vote.
By todays GOP standards for electing POTUS Reagan would not have stood a chance as the left wing RINO's would have painted him a right wing fringe loon for that matter so would JFK if he had been GOP. Do you not realize yet how far left the GOP has gone since 1994? When Hillary Clinton can run to the right of the top four it's time to reevaluate party platform and change course. Failure to do so in the past has cost the GOP plenty.
Before you run all over this board saying that I said Hillary is more conservative that is not what I said at all. I said she can run to the right of them which is different. She can talk very conservative when the venue calls for it. Remember that her husband ran to the right of Poppy and Dole while they tried to be Dem Lites. That came does not work against the Clintons and you can take that to the bank as political fact.
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