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It Really Was Osirak [RE: Israeli Strike On Syrian Facility]
Captain's Quarters ^
| October 06, 2007
| Ed Morrissey
Posted on 10/06/2007 8:22:11 AM PDT by jdm
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To: Lazarus Longer
“Big props to someone to whom I never thought I’d give any — Ehud Olmert”
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It’s his appointment of Ehud Barak as Defense Minister. Barak at least, has learned his lesson from his earlier disastrous term as PM.
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posted on
10/06/2007 5:58:30 PM PDT
by
sinanju
To: rbg81
Its really sad. I think this country used to care about really solving problems, but not all we care about is spin (at least, most of us do)....
*sigh*
agree.....drain it.
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posted on
10/06/2007 7:20:00 PM PDT
by
skinkinthegrass
(just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....Run, Fred, Run. :^)
To: jdm
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posted on
10/06/2007 8:26:22 PM PDT
by
Kevmo
(We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
To: MNJohnnie; HardStarboard
"...Based on the fact that we have the most and best spy satellites the notion that the Israelis pointed this out to us is highly implausible.
I suggest the "unnamed" source for this claim is either rabidly ignorant, lying or simply misinformed..."Sounds like mis-information, and sounds intentional. Whatever the Norks off-loaded from their freighter had to be destroyed immediately!
We're just supposed to wonder what all the fuss was about, and look the other way - pay no attention to the guy behind the curtain.
And since the Syrians and Iranians now know that their Russian Anti-Air-Crap doesn't work, it would be a good idea to finish them off now, before they figure out how to fix it ......................... FRegards
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posted on
10/06/2007 9:50:29 PM PDT
by
gonzo
(My Mother never understood the irony of calling me a 'son-of-a-bitch' ...)
To: gonzo; MNJohnnie; HardStarboard; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; Grampa Dave
And since the Syrians and Iranians now know that their Russian Anti-Air-Crap doesn't
work, it would be a good idea to finish them off now, before they figure out how to fix it
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posted on
10/06/2007 9:53:40 PM PDT
by
PhilDragoo
(Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
To: jdm; Dog; jeffers; Cap Huff; section9; yonif; SJackson; Rokke; Jeff Head; Squantos
"Between July and September, weeks of high-level talks took place. The Israelis wanted to destroy the facility immediately, and had some support from the American intelligence community that had managed to miss this development. However, Condoleezza Rice and others did not. They wanted to "confront" the Syrians first -- as the Jerusalem Post puts it, to scold Assad publicly for operating a nuclear facility." Here's why you shouldn't believe a word of this cover story that is clearly being shopped around to various news sources by someone in U.S. diplo-intel circles:
The State Department is **INCAPABLE** of keeping secret a Syrian nuclear facility, or an Israeli request for a strike, from July into September.
Heck, memos of "torture" are routinely leaked, much less anything really important.
No way...no freaking way did the State Department goons keep a secret this big for this long. Heck, they'd have their book out on Amazon.com doing the Micahel Schuerer shuffle by this point if they'd been informed of the above back in July.
...But this sort of news "leak" will cause normally pro-Bush Americans to bash Condi Rice, as if the story was accurate.
Not buyin' it.
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posted on
10/06/2007 10:00:56 PM PDT
by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: AmericanInTokyo
I agree with you. The following phrase really ticks me off.
Condoleezza Rice and others did not.
I think Condi is more concerned with the prospect that State Dept. would lose its driver seat on N. Korean issue than actually stopping their nuclear ambition. I am sure they still cling to futile hope that N. Korea would show serious change of attitude, after this Israeli raid.
This can only happen if Bush goes for broke with regard to N. Korea, ready to inflict pain on China, unless China plays along.
As I suspected, Israeli strike could be an "uncomfortable development" for Bush and Condi. It put them in a bind. While U.S. military and intel community were happy to help Israel out, Bush probably reluctantly acquiesced and Condi was unhappy.
Finally, Chris Hill must be one depressed man these days.:-)
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posted on
10/06/2007 10:50:44 PM PDT
by
TigerLikesRooster
(kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
To: jdm
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posted on
10/07/2007 12:00:58 AM PDT
by
elhombrelibre
(RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
To: Southack
I guess we had Elint platforms up on the Iraq/Syria border to wag fingers at the IAF on their way by?
A game is afoot, and there is a domestic component.
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posted on
10/07/2007 1:44:59 AM PDT
by
jeffers
To: TigerLikesRooster
When it comes to North Korea, YOU are indeed the Freeper with all the information and insight!
I thank you for corroborating this, and also your belief that Condi Rice is clearly on the legacy, self-interest path rather than truly addressing the North Korean threat in the closing days of a lame duck (and getting more lame by the day it seems) administration!!
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posted on
10/07/2007 4:47:42 AM PDT
by
AmericanInTokyo
(Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
To: jdm
One U.S. official told ABC's Martha Raddatz the material was "jaw dropping" because it raised questions as to why U.S. intelligence had not previously picked up on the facility.Aren't these the same guys who missed the fall of the Soviet Union? Every single agent and analyst in the CIA should've been fired after that. Better to start from scratch than work with crap.
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posted on
10/07/2007 4:52:21 AM PDT
by
Terabitten
(Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets - E-Frat '94. Unity and Pride!)
To: Southack
Good points. State Department is a sieve and would have at least tipped the Syrians. But what surprises me is that the Bush administration itself was able to keep this a secret. If they did not want Israel to perform the attack, they could have leaked the info. The good news is that the Bush administration can at least keep some secretes. What I find somewhat disturbing however is that Israel would actually delay their attack awaiting our approval. Kinda shows the geopolitical influence the US now has in the Middle East ever since we ponied up.
To: jdm
[T]he material was "jaw dropping" because it raised questions as to why U.S. intelligence had not previously picked up on the facility. The CIA had other priorities, they were busy undermining the regime. Of George W. Bush.
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posted on
10/07/2007 6:42:58 AM PDT
by
Lonesome in Massachussets
(NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
To: jeffers
"I guess we had Elint platforms up on the Iraq/Syria border to wag fingers at the IAF on their way by? A game is afoot, and there is a domestic component." Indeed. But this game is not being played by our State Department, contrary to the "Condi is coddling nuke terrorist" implications of this and other articles being "shopped" around by diplo-intel types who have an ax to grind.
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posted on
10/07/2007 8:57:34 AM PDT
by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: justa-hairyape
No claim in this article is to be believed. Israel delayed their attack while our State Department kept Israel’s “agression” secret for months?!
Not buyin’ it.
Our State Department can’t keep a secret, much less a big nuclear secret, and certainly not a “Jews are the agressor” type of secret.
The entire article is “shopped” propaganda.
As you correctly point out, if the Bush Administration had really wanted to stop Israel, then the Israeli attack plan would have been leaked in advance.
Yet the secret was kept.
That the secret was kept goes to show that the State Department wasn’t involved...and further shows that the Bush Administration approved the attack.
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posted on
10/07/2007 9:02:00 AM PDT
by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: AmericanInTokyo; TigerLikesRooster; Dog; SJackson; yonif; section9; jeffers; Jeff Head; Squantos
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posted on
10/07/2007 9:03:54 AM PDT
by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: jdm
"offering some very weak tea as an alternative"
Nothing has changed abroad or here at home
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posted on
10/07/2007 9:07:21 AM PDT
by
Minutemen
("It's a Religion of Peace")
To: Southack; Cap Huff; jeffers; txflake
Allah at Hot Air has a theory as to why Assad hasn't protested the air strike.
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/07/we-came-so-close-to-world-war-three/
The best explanation for Assads lack of protest is that the Israelis have threatened Assad himself. After last summers flyby and the September raid itself, Assad has to know that hes never been more vulnerable to an Israeli airstrike or commando raid. His government has been killing Lebanese officials with relative impunity, so he of all people is aware that what he has been doing to others can be done unto him.
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posted on
10/07/2007 5:12:19 PM PDT
by
Dog
To: bruinbirdman
Oh, I think GW and Condi have one thing for public consumption and another for secret deliberations with our allies. Public consumtion is exactly where a simple, "No, this adminstration will not allow the Iranian regime to aquire nuclear weapons" was called for. That in no way prevents negotiations, it enhances the prospect. The fact that he didn't say that to me shows he has abandoned the Bush doctrine of not allowing the most evil regimes to acquire the most dangerous weapons. The fact that the adminstration will not even say that our goal is removing the mullah regime, and is doing absolutely nothing to do so are further indications. The Bush of 2007 is not the Bush of 2001-2003.
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posted on
10/07/2007 5:41:17 PM PDT
by
Hugin
(Mecca delenda est.)
To: Dog
That, and Israel flat-out told Assad 'you use WMDs, we wipe you off the map'. And nobody's condemned Israel for
that threat, either, or even referenced it since it was made.
Assad is wondering what Israel's going to attack next.
Good comments below the article, thanks for sharing.
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posted on
10/07/2007 5:53:05 PM PDT
by
txhurl
(Yes there were WMDs)
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