Evangelical publicist sends letter to evangelical leaders urging them to rally Romney support

Mark DeMoss (The DeMoss Group) ^ | 9 October 2007 | Mark DeMoss

[Spiff]

Great job. That letter is spectacular!!!! Romney is my second choice after Duncan Hunter! I would be proud to vote for him in the general election if he is nominated!!!!

I like Duncan Hunter and I think that he is a rock solid conservative. However, he's not going to win the primary election. Period. He doesn't have the cash, the organization, or the momentum to even break out of the single digits. That's the reality of the situation. I wish it were different, but it is not. I urge you to pick a top-tier candidate who most shares your values and then lend him all the support that you can. And I think that is exactly what DeMoss said in his letter.

[Ol' Sparky]

George W. Bush said the same thing

Bush actually has done a good job of keeping his word. He has been socially conservative. And, never hide the fact that he was a big-government ("compassionate") Republican that was going to push through legislation like the Medicare prescription drug plan.

But, I would prefer a Reagan type. Giuliani is absolutely unacceptable. Romney, I'd have to think long and hard about.

[napscoordinator]

I agree with what you said, but truth be told, I am not going to be able to pick who I want anyway because Pennsylvania picks in April 2008....a candidate will be chosen by then. However, if Duncan bails by then and he will if he is not doing well and a nominee has not been chosen. I would be proud to vote for Mitt!!!

[Colofornian]

...and is fully opposed to "gay" marriage I would at least seriously consider switching my tentative support from Fred to Mitt.

Surprisingly, "gay" "marriage" is about the only area of homosexuality that Mitt has remained constant on (he's always been against it). But he's been pro-civil unions for homosexuals; pro-domestic partnership benefits for homosexuals. So it's like, "Hey, you're shacking up together in a counterfeit union. Why, let's have the government and every corporation you work for reward you and reinforce that unhealthy behavior!"

[MayflowerMadam]

Can’t see evangelical Christians voting for Romney. He’s probably a nice guy with some good ideas, but LDS is a cult and true evangelicals wouldn’t be in favor of a Mormon leading the country. Almost all of my acquaintences are evangelicals and not one of them would vote for Romney.

[Rameumptom]

The thing with Mormons and Orthodox Christians I see is that Mormons have been defined by others through much of their history. (the media, Washington in their conflicts with the Mormons, the competition, other churches worried about Sheep Stealing etc.) This is what occurs with politcal parties as well. The left has defined the right as a racist party so it is accepted in the general public. But in reality it is not the case. Even though 90% of the articles you'll see say right wingers are racists.

Mormons have been defnined by outsiders through much of our history. Think about it, many non-mormons I have met will say things like, "those mormons sure are a cult but the ones I know personally are the nicest people with the nicest families." Now that the Church of Jesus Chirst of Latter Day Saints is larger and can actually talk back on a larger scale through their numbers and the media, many think we have redefined ourselves or changed our teachings, or are hiding something. We are just able to let others know what we already know about our own beliefs. Think about it. How long has the MSM been lying about what Evangelicals believe? The MSM has also been lying about Mormons for over a hundred years. They still do it.

Richard J. Mouw - President at Fuller Theological Seminary

I know that I have learned much in this continuing dialogue, and I am now convinced that we evangelicals have often seriously misrepresented the beliefs and practices of the Mormon community. Indeed, let me state it bluntly to the LDS folks here this evening: we have sinned against you. The God of the Scriptures makes it clear that it is a terrible thing to bear false witness against our neighbors, and we have been guilty of that sort of transgression in things we have said about you. We have told you what you believe without making a sincere effort first of all to ask you what you believe.

[Gurn]

Such a sad person you sound like.

Funny, I don't feel sad.

But I'm very afraid. It scares me to no end that this country is seriously considering for president a man who fell hook, line and sinker for the biggest crock of dung spewed by a human being since the birth of Islam.

Yes or no to the following questions, please:

Romney believes the Garden of Eden was in Missouri?

Romney believes that we can become gods?

Romney believes that Jesus and Satan are brothers?

Romney believes that God is a created being?

Joseph Smith said, "I will become the American Mohammed"?

Thanks.

[JSDude1]

Respectfully I disagree with you (I’d rather go for Fred) out of the ‘top-tier’, though I support Tancredo currently, just to let you know.

The reason why I don’t like MITT At all is that there is something off with him (his-flip-flops), and I don’t believe he is truely a Ronald W. Reagan Conservative, he’s a wolf..

[JSDude1]

Respectfully I disagree with you (I’d rather go for Fred) out of the ‘top-tier’, though I support Tancredo currently, just to let you know.

The reason why I don’t like MITT At all is that there is something off with him (his-flip-flops), and I don’t believe he is truly a Ronald W. Reagan Conservative, he’s a wolf..

[Spiff]

If Mitt can convince me that he really has converted from pro-abortion to pro-life, from a gun grabber to a 2nd Amendment supporter, and is fully opposed to "gay" marriage

Pro-Life: Mitt Romney has been endorsed by several pro-life leaders and organizations. I would NEVER consider supporting a pro-abortion candidate or even one that was not solidly pro-life. My 10-year history on Free Republic attests to that fact. I support Mitt Romney and as the aforementioned pro-life leaders and organizations, I firmly believe that his conversion is genuine. (Go here for more info on this topic from a fellow FReeper.)

Pro-traditional Marriage/anti-gay marriage:Mitt Romney has been recognized as the most anti-gay marriage top-tier candidate in the race. He alone supports the Federal Marriage Amendment and he worked as governor to pass a similar amendment in Massachusetts. Again, I would never support a candidate who was not firmly against gay marriage and I support Mitt Romney because he IS strongly against gay marriage. (Go here for more info on this topic from a fellow FReeper.)

2nd Amendment Supporter: Mitt Romney is a solid supporter of the 2nd Amendment. As Governor he earned a B rating from the National Rifle Association. That may sound a little low, but you must understand that he was the Governor of a bluer-than-blue state with an 85% Democrat legislature. While he could enact precious few pro-gun policies and had even less pro-gun laws sent to him for signature because of the Democrat control of Mass., he still was able to achieve that score. He did so by doing things like holding the line against anti-gun legislation, supporting easing some gun restrictions where possible, and even proclaiming a "Right to Bear Arms Day" in Massachusetts. The SINGLE extension of a gun restriction that he did sign into law was matched by other eased gun restrictions and was supported by the NRA and the GOA. His candidacy has been endorsed by a former member of the NRA Board of Directors as well as a former NRA Executive Director. He is not a gun-grabber and is pro-2nd Amendment. (Go here for more info on this topic from a fellow FReeper.)

[epow]

Stressing conservative Mormon values will bring in Christian voters. Contradicting what most Christian pastors say about Mormonism, will turn off Christian voters.

As a committed evangelical Christian and conservative Republican I can agree with that assessment as far as my immediate family and most of my Christian friends go, and I will vote for Mitt if he is nominated, and possibly in the primary if he convinces me that he has the same values and standards as I have concerning right to life, homosexual marriage, and 2nd Amendment issues. But you should be aware that there are many, many evangelicals who will not vote for a Mormon even if it means seeing Hillary elected.

Disagree with them all you want, condemn them all you want, but their votes count just the same as your's and mine.

[Spiff]

But that is EXACTLY the problem. Joseph Smith is ALSO considered a gatekeeper. Moreover, to Mormons, even Christ can’t fully absolve you of your sins, it is a religion based on works (that’s why all the squeaky clean Mormons, they have to be to get Temple recommends and get into heaven, and then become Gods of their own). Moreover, which “Him” do they believe in? Cause there are questions about the trinity and other factors. There is also a sub debate about whether Adam was a God who gave seed to humans, so Jesus isn’t necessarily even in the loop.

I don't know if you're unintentionally ignorant about the actual beliefs of Mormons, or if you've been terribly mislead, or if you're just telling a pack of lies. What I do know is that nothing you've posted above is accurate about the actual beliefs of Mormons.

[napscoordinator]

I agree if he believes those things that it is a bit weird, but that does not take away his qualifications for President. He is the only one with executive experience and that is important.

[tantiboh]

~”...and here both are Book of Mormon, restorationist-believing entities.”~

You do realize, don’t you, that Fred Thompson also belongs to a restorationist denomination? Let’s be consistent in our application of standards.

[napscoordinator]

I can’t get past Fred Thompson getting divorced. Yes I know that Ronald Reagan did too but it astounds me that Republicans can’t go with a candidate that is family values. For whatever negatives that Mitt has he has kept the one promise he made to his wife and that is to honor and cherish her through sickness and health until death do us part. Sadly, Thompson did not keep that end of the bargin. Mitt not only kept his promise, but even stayed married to his wife after she was diagnosed with MS. That is a person who cannot be all bad.

[tantiboh]

~”There are people like me who on stark religious grounds will never pull the lever for Romney.”~

I become more convinced daily that your group is a small one. I think Romney’s impeccable family values, for example, will more than make up for any loss he might incur at the ballot box because of his religion.

[Leisler]

"...a Winter Olympic Games (Salt Lake City, 2002), where he turned a $379 million operating deficit into one of the most profitable Games eve.."

Ah, yeah. No kidding. He went to Washington and got an 400 million dollar bailout. We lost, Utah hacks made money. Nice.

[Leisler]

"I think Romney’s impeccable family values..."

Not quite. Zero military service. Busy and all that, don't cha know.

[Colofornian]

Considered and rejected. I will not vote for someone who believes they are God material (that includes Reverend Moon, David Koresh, and anyone else on that path). I will not vote for someone who believes in multiple gods. I will not vote for someone who cannot read the history of his church (because Joseph Smith takes the prise for blatant charlatanism and anyone who believes his baloney is Gullible). I won’t vote for someone who believes in secret temple rights, seer stones, special handshakes and mumbo jumbo like batism of the dead because it is as superstitious as witchcraft. In short, it isn’t going to happen.

Well framed.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: With 535 Congressmen, if one is duped on, say, foreign policy; well, it's going to be a lot harder to dupe all 535. But with POTUS, if he or she is duped, look out. Duck.

Vulnerability to deception is not just a marginal consideration for the White House...IT IS VITAL! Vulnerability to deception is a key character consideration.

Voters should evaluate candidates on character...so yes "character" includes commitment to their wives (a big plus for Mitt); so yes, it includes commitment to their families (another big plus for Mitt); and, yes, it includes integrity and scandal-free behavior. But vulnerability to deception is yet another major indicator of character.

Mitt said perhaps the biggest mistake of his life was to be wrong on abortion. So he confessed being deceived in catering to the god of abortion; he was also deceived on anything and everything tied to abortion (embryonic stem cell research; taxpayer funding of abortion; RU-486)--you name it. At one point or another he's been deceived on every aspect of homosexuality except "gay" "marriage" (what? you think 2002 Massachusetts voters, land of Dukakis, Kennedy, and Kerry...just usher in any ole conservative into the gov's chair?)

He thinks the White House is a career move to running his own planet. He thinks voters who are spiritual apostates with abominable creeds will be ushers of his magic carpet ride to the White House.

It really comes down to this: If the gay-rights activist get "gay" "marriage" there won't be any other "right" denied to them--including "gay" "marriage" being taught to our sons and daughters in public schools plus many of our churches offering "gay" "marriage" ceremonies to pre-empt being sued or held in violation of extended civil rights sanctions. Getting "gay" marriage in would be society's "Good Housekeeping" stamp of approval upon the entire GLBT agenda. Likewise, a lot of LDS gatekeepers know that once a Mormon is in the White House, it will be society's "Good Housekeeping" stamp of approval upon everything Joseph Smith said, taught, and lived.

With a Mitt White House, expect the Salt Lake City PR machine (& budget) to multiply 100 times overnight.

[tantiboh]

~”...but LDS is a cult...”~

Just because your pastor says it doesn’t make it so.

~”Almost all of my acquaintences are evangelicals and not one of them would vote for Romney.”~

I suppose we’ll see. Frankly, given Thompson’s lackluster entry and low resources, and assuming Romney doesn’t make any big blunders, I don’t see any way anybody can stop Romney from winning the nomination. Poll your acquaintances in a year when Clinton is the alternative and get back to me.