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Crunch Time in Pakistan
Pajamas Media ^ | Oct 22, 2007 | Bill Roggio

Posted on 10/23/2007 9:31:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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1 posted on 10/23/2007 9:31:41 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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News ping.


2 posted on 10/23/2007 9:32:35 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good article. The Taliban used to have no better ally than Pakistan. After 9/11 that changed.


3 posted on 10/23/2007 9:35:03 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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Somewhat related item...

Newsweek Declares Iraq Unsafe For al-Qaeda, Iraqis See War Deaths Drop Nearly 100%

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So I am not sure how to take this commentary from Newsweek, but it seems (as many of us have been saying) that the build up of al-Qaeda in Pakistan is obvious for many clear (and surprising reasons). It seems that Iraq and Afghanistan are so harsh for al-Qaeda it is no surprise they are moving to safe havens in Pakistan

4 posted on 10/23/2007 9:40:52 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What does Al Queda spokesperson Anne Curry have to say regarding this subject? I await her next op-ed video.


6 posted on 10/23/2007 9:41:42 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I am hopeful that the recent assassination attempt will rally the Pak government and people against the terrorists in their country.

Time will tell, I suppose.


7 posted on 10/23/2007 9:43:30 AM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
All that money, all that time yet all they really need to do is locate and execute the ISA collaborators. That's how the other side plays it. This what we need to address.

Pretty soon either all our guys or all theirs will be turned or dead. Guess whos winning at this point. The less we meet terrorists on their terms the more they'll push their terms upon us.

8 posted on 10/23/2007 9:46:34 AM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...
Thanks Ernest.
The attack on Bhutto's procession... was a coordinated, sophisticated strike consisting of a car bomb, a suicide bomber, a grenade attack, and a sniper team. The attack was carried out by al Qaeda, Taliban, and their Pakistani allies, very likely with help inside the Inter Service Agency, Pakistan's infamous intelligence service; the military is a possible participant. It resulted in the largest terror toll in the country's history, with over 136 killed and upwards of 500 wounded.
...and not a scratch on Bhutto. Either the car bomber, suicide bomber, grenade attacker(s?), and sniper team were the worst in history (or at least since the multiple attempts made on the Archduke Ferdinand, who was riding in an open car), or the attack was intended to politically further divide Bhutto and Musharraf, undermine Musharraf, and lay the groundwork for public support of the violent, bloody military coup that is coming.
9 posted on 10/23/2007 9:52:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Justa
From Captain's Quarters:

Imperialist Osama, Losing The War

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According to ABC News, Osama has begun singing a different tune in his latest missive to the ummah. Bin Laden's video and audio messages usually contain plenty of triumphalism for Islamists, but in a new message to his fellow terrorists, he sounds a little more desperate about their prospects:

10 posted on 10/23/2007 9:55:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Justa

Perhaps we should try pushing OUR terms on the terrorists.

What a novel f*&%$#@ concept!

MV


11 posted on 10/23/2007 9:57:42 AM PDT by madvlad ((Born in the south, raised around the globe and STILL republican))
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Related :

Bin Laden Sounds the Call of Defeat in Iraq

12 posted on 10/23/2007 10:04:18 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: madvlad

I think Bhutto going back to Pakistan is a move that we are pushing....


13 posted on 10/23/2007 10:07:08 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: madvlad

I was speaking about terms of conduct as opposed to terms of negotiation.


14 posted on 10/23/2007 10:25:29 AM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: Justa

As was I.

Ex:

I will take no prisoners; if I do, they will be disposed of after deeemd no
longer useful.
I will kill everything that moves; I will offer NO medical assistance.
I will destroy all property personal or otherwise assoc w/ a raid/attack.
I will NOT respect you or your religious beliefs.
I will hit you at a time & place of MY choosing.
I will hit you early, often and for an extended duration.
Safe havens will not be.
I will facilitate your face-to-face w/ Allah.

In short, in the words of the immortal John Wayne: “Out here,
due process is a bullet!”

MV


15 posted on 10/23/2007 10:36:16 AM PDT by madvlad ((Born in the south, raised around the globe and STILL republican))
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From National Review:

The Bhutto Attacks

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Cold comfort is the best we can hope for.

By Aaron Mannes

The question of who was behind Friday’s assassination attempt on Benazir Bhutto is the whodunit from hell and, instead of a pistol, the drawing room dénouement will feature Pakistan’s nuclear weapons.

Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto’s October 18 return from a decade of exile was bound to be a pivotal moment in Pakistani politics, and thus, also will likely to be a violent one. Frustrated with President Musharraf’s unending military dictatorship and stagnating living conditions, the people of Karachi turned out in huge numbers to greet Bhutto as their potential savior.

The attack, which struck as Bhutto’s convoy slowly made its way through the city of Karachi, did not injure Bhutto. It did, however, kill 140 people, half of whom were members of Bhutto’s security detail. So far details remain unclear, although security services claim to have identified the heads of two suicide bombers.

At the best of times Pakistan is a society with a penchant for conspiracy theories, and the circumstances of the attack can only fuel this speculation. Despite ample warning that an attack on Bhutto was likely, security was inadequate to control the massive crowds that formed to meet Bhutto. Because of these crowds Bhutto’s convoy took about ten hours to travel about ten miles, while Karachi became a giant street party — and a perfect target for terror. Oddly, streetlights along the convoy’s route were turned off, complicating security efforts to spot possible attackers. In fairness however, Pakistani infrastructure is spotty at best, and these failings may have been due to raw incompetence. The government’s response to Bhutto’s accusations is that Bhutto ignored their security advice and insisted on a massive rally — of course such rallies are central to Pakistani politics.

Bhutto has vowed to fight Pakistan’s Islamists. Reportedly, a Taliban leader in South Waziristan, Baitullah Mehsud, who has been linked to the bombing attacks that were a response to the government’s storming of the Red Mosque earlier this summer, promised to greet Bhutto with suicide bombs. Mehsud has since denied making this statement. Even if this particular band of Islamists had nothing to do with the attacks, there is a vast constellation of Pakistani Islamist groups — most with at least tangential links to al Qaeda - that would object to Bhutto taking power and many would be savvy enough not to advertise their intentions.

However, many Pakistanis, including Bhutto herself, believe that if the Islamists were involved, they did so as cat’s paws for Pakistani intelligence. Pakistani intelligence has supported various Islamist groups to further its interests in Aghanistan, Kashmir, and Pakistan. Bhutto goes further and has stated that while she does not hold Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf responsible; there are three officials, whom she will not name, linked to former President Zia ul-Haq (who overthrew and executed her father), behind the attack. Not surprisingly, there is a great deal of speculation about these individuals. Topping the list is retired General Ejaz Shah, the head of the Intelligence Bureau (and consequently ultimately responsible for Bhutto’s security). Shah was reportedly the intelligence community’s liaison to the Taliban, al Qaeda, and to Omar Sheikh who is in prison for the murder of Daniel Pearl.

Also suspected are Chaudhru Pervez Ellahi and Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain.

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There are other, more harrowing potential motives behind the attempt on Bhutto’s life. In courting Western support for her return to Pakistan, Bhutto promised that the International Atomic Energy Agency would receive access to A. Q. Khan, father of the Pakistani nuclear program and head of an international clandestine nuclear proliferation ring, who is currently under house arrest. The full extent of Khan’s network remains unknown. It is inconceivable that Khan carried out his operations without substantial assistance from figures in Pakistan’s military and intelligence services. This is information that the intelligence services would not like to see revealed. Another player that would prefer that the IAEA not have access to A. Q. Khan would be his leading customer.

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Khan may be able to reveal critical details about Iran’s nuclear program that would galvanize the international community against the Iranian nuclear program. Iran has launched suicide terror attacks around the world in support of their strategic interests, and there are militant Shia organizations in Pakistan with links to Iran.

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Because of the long links between Pakistani intelligence and the Islamists, none of these scenarios are mutually exclusive. The government has refused Bhutto’s request for international participation in the investigation, which will only foster conspiracy theorists. But, in all likelihood, the attack on Bhutto was linked to a Pakistani Islamist organization. However, it is a cold comfort that attributing a massive terror attack to the Islamist “usual suspects” is the least disturbing scenario.

  — Aaron Mannes, editor of TheTerrorWonk, researches international security affairs at the University of Maryland’s Laboratory for Computational Cultural Dynamics and is a Ph.D. student at the University of Maryland.

16 posted on 10/23/2007 10:46:50 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Despite ample warning that an attack on Bhutto was likely, security was inadequate to control the massive crowds that formed to meet Bhutto. Because of these crowds Bhutto's convoy took about ten hours to travel about ten miles, while Karachi became a giant street party -- and a perfect target for terror. Oddly, streetlights along the convoy's route were turned off, complicating security efforts to spot possible attackers. In fairness however, Pakistani infrastructure is spotty at best, and these failings may have been due to raw incompetence. The government's response to Bhutto's accusations is that Bhutto ignored their security advice and insisted on a massive rally...
"... we showed up in huge numbers, and the government didn't send troops to keep us from mobbing the procession, making us targets." That's some Moslem 'thinking' for ya.
17 posted on 10/23/2007 11:09:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Slapshot68
Good article. The Taliban used to have no better ally than Pakistan. After 9/11 that changed.

Very little has changed. From Newsweek:

"The safe haven provided by Pakistan has already had dire effects on U.S. and NATO efforts to fight the resurgent Taliban next door in Afghanistan. Taliban fighters now pretty much come and go as they please inside Pakistan. Their sick and injured get patched up in private hospitals there. Guns and supplies are readily available, and in the winter, when fighting traditionally dies down in Afghanistan, thousands retire to the country's thriving madrassas to study the Qur'an. Some of the brainier operatives attend courses in computer technology, video production and even English. Far from keeping a low profile, the visiting fighters attend services at local mosques, where after prayers they speak to the congregation, soliciting donations to support the war against the West. "Pakistan is like your shoulder that supports your RPG," Taliban commander Mullah Momin Ahmed told NEWSWEEK, barely a month before a U.S. airstrike killed him last September in Afghanistan's eastern Ghazni province. "Without it you couldn't fight. Thank God Pakistan is not against us."
18 posted on 10/23/2007 11:17:42 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I am waiting to hear of some purges in the Pakistani military and the ISA. In fairness to their effectiveness in confronting the al Qaeda/Taliban forces we should remember, not all Pakistani support the Musharraf regime.
Each ethnic geopolitical subdivision, each differing in ethnic/ideological mindset,has it's own take on the validity of what should be permitted regarding subduing these Islamofacists organizations, or doing nothing.
Musharraf does not have the support of a large number of Pakistani in his quest to kill off tens of thousands of muslims.
He walks on egg crates.
20 posted on 10/23/2007 12:21:14 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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