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Low Buzz May Give Mice Better Bones and Less Fat
NY Times ^ | October 30, 2007 | GINA KOLATA

Posted on 11/04/2007 6:36:27 PM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem
Afterward, they have 27 percent less fat than mice that did not stand on the platform — and correspondingly more bone.

"... I feel like the credibility of my scientific career is sitting on a razor’s edge between ‘Wow, this is really cool,’ and ‘These people are nuts.’”

Hey, he's not the first cat to realize a little buzz will get you boned as well as stoned. But he might be the first one to try it on mice.

21 posted on 11/04/2007 7:12:48 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: neverdem

I don’t get it. The NY Times article says low frequency, the linked article from Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. says high frequency, low amplitude. What’s the buzz?


22 posted on 11/04/2007 7:13:01 PM PST by GregoryFul (is a bear a bomb in a bull?)
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To: muawiyah; austinmark; FreedomCalls; IslandJeff; JRochelle; MarMema; Txsleuth; Newtoidaho; ...
Interesting ~ Type II diabetics have a problem with hormones produced by the bones ~ they have less of it. They also put on more fat.

That hormone is osteocalcin. It's a keyword on your thread. Thanks for the reminder for the diabetes list. Type IIs and folks with metabolic syndrome, aka syndrome X, might find this interesting.

Freepmail me if you want on or off of the diabetes ping list.

23 posted on 11/04/2007 7:14:17 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: GregoryFul

Go with the PNAS abstract and article. She goofed, although she’s usually one of the Times’ better writers for this stuff.


24 posted on 11/04/2007 7:19:38 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
I wonder if there could be any correlation.


25 posted on 11/04/2007 8:22:41 PM PST by Lady Jag (ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,Election '08...of thee I sing,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø)
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To: FReepaholic

If that gizmo got results like the article describes publicity
would explode.


26 posted on 11/04/2007 8:38:55 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: neverdem
All he does is put mice on a platform that buzzes at such a low frequency that some people cannot even feel it.

I guess this explains why truck drivers are so thin.

27 posted on 11/04/2007 8:44:23 PM PST by Plutarch
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28 posted on 11/04/2007 9:07:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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LOL! Thanks for the pic!


29 posted on 11/04/2007 9:27:16 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

Imagine the applications of this for space travel.

Bone loss will be a real issue for our Mars astronauts, and can potentially cause problems later in life for our ISS astronauts.

Just stick one of these suckers under their bed-straps and the problem’s solved!


30 posted on 11/04/2007 9:36:54 PM PST by Constantine XIII (THE CAKE IS A LIE)
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To: neverdem

Ok, yea, 90 hz, 0.2g acceleration, 12 micrometer displacement (yikes?). Could build a human sized platform for about $150-$200, I would think, low runs, with high quality components. Add another $50 for computer controlled monitoring. I’d go for it. Crank up production with overseas contracts for under $100 per unit. Tell me it’s not in the near future! Sketched out a design for my personal use. (Damn that clingy adipose tissue).


31 posted on 11/04/2007 9:42:35 PM PST by GregoryFul (is a bear a bomb in a bull?)
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To: neverdem

I assume someone has confirmed that the fat reduction isn’t simply due to buzz-stressed mice eating less?


32 posted on 11/04/2007 10:08:08 PM PST by Skibane
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To: neverdem
I have heard that cat’s purring is supposed to promote bone growth and it is essentially low frequency vibration
33 posted on 11/05/2007 12:45:57 AM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: neverdem

There are many different ways of cellular signaling in the body. Some involve mechanical connections from cell surface receptors that go all the way to the nucleus and modify gene expression. These can transduce changes in pressure to changes in gene expression. As weird as the results of this research sound, it’s not impossible that controlled manipulation of mechanical transduction systems could have effects on cell expression and function that normally wouldn’t be expected in the “natural” biological context.


34 posted on 11/05/2007 12:59:13 AM PST by aruanan
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To: neverdem

Rather than harvesting and storing cells why are we not focusing on the chemicals that induce our own PSCs to mature. We have erythropoietin and a few others. This would reduce the effects of storage and possibilities of auto and alloantibodies. Not to mention some wahoo mixing up your eggs or thawing them improperly.


35 posted on 11/05/2007 2:42:17 AM PST by momincombatboots (World changing power in the blood)
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To: Skibane
I assume someone has confirmed that the fat reduction isn’t simply due to buzz-stressed mice eating less?

From the pdf link:

Results
LMMS Suppression of Adiposity in Normal B6 Mice. At baseline, body weights of the LMMS (21.2  1.5 g) and control (CTR) (21.1  1.7 g) mice were similar (P  0.9). Throughout the course of the protocol, body mass of the two groups increased at similar rates (Fig. 1). Activity patterns during the 15 min of LMMS and sham treatment were not noticeably different from their behavior in their cages or from each other. There were no noticeable differences in eating behavior between groups, and weekly food intake between LMMS (26.4  2.1 gweek1) and CTR (27.0  2.1 gweek1) mice was essentially identical (Fig. 1). At 12 weeks, when the in vivo CT scans were performed, the body mass of LMMS animals was not significantly different from CTR (4.0% lower in LMMS; P  0.2) (Table 1).

The pdf didn't translate correctly.  is supposed to mean either 'plus or minus', 'equals' or that the last term is a denominator, e.g. 26.4  2.1 gweek1 means 26.4 grams plus or minus 2.1 grams per week. It's on page one.

36 posted on 11/05/2007 9:41:28 AM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

This is very interesting. When I read the headline, I thought it had something to do with alcohol...:)


37 posted on 11/06/2007 12:35:44 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: GregoryFul
I don’t get it. The NY Times article says low frequency,

My FRiend, you are asking much too much of a NYTimes journalist to either either get it right or state it factually.

38 posted on 11/06/2007 1:08:15 PM PST by BuglerTex
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To: SunkenCiv
LOL!
39 posted on 11/06/2007 1:17:05 PM PST by spectre (spectre's wife (Zero Tolerance)
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To: neverdem; spectre

Rodent you know someone somewhere had an appropriate pic. :’)

If I photoshopped, I’d have another one featuring a cordless optical mouse... ;’)


40 posted on 11/07/2007 8:08:07 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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