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'Gospel of wealth' facing scrutiny (tv evangelists)
AP ^ | December 27, 2007 | ERIC GORSKI

Posted on 12/28/2007 7:37:39 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 12/28/2007 7:37:41 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 12/28/2007 7:38:12 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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Without a doubt the biggest ignored scandal in all of Christianity is the bilking of people using God for profit.

3 posted on 12/28/2007 7:40:46 AM PST by big'ol_freeper (Mitt to supporters: "DON'T TRY TO DEFEND MY LIBERAL RECORD. BELITTLE THEM WITH PERSONAL ATTACKS")
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Amen to that!!!!


4 posted on 12/28/2007 7:41:20 AM PST by misterrob (15 down, 4 more til the Pats win the SB again.)
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Joyce Meyers doesn’t preach “prosperity gospel” and her messages are very good and she’s very funny. BUT, I would NEVER give money to her. She takes a six figure salary and her husband has a $500,000 salary from the ministry etc. . . . she’s getting prosperous for sure. The trick is this. She could not take a dime from the ministry at all and have a millionaire lifestyle from her books and tapes. So in my view she has succumbed to greed. It pains me because she is so talented.


5 posted on 12/28/2007 7:41:29 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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In a letter to Grassley, Dollar's attorney calls the prosperity gospel a "deeply held religious belief" grounded in Scripture and therefore a protected religious freedom.

"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

6 posted on 12/28/2007 7:43:15 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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wondering whether the prosperity gospel is facing a day of reckoning.

Any day of reckoning in the courts or public opinion will pale in comparison to the real day of reckoning for these wolves.

7 posted on 12/28/2007 7:43:27 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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One thing’s for sure — it is not for Congress or anyone else in government to protect us from false doctrine.

People have to be smart enough to protect themselves.

8 posted on 12/28/2007 7:44:56 AM PST by BenLurkin
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--- Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee,--

--why doesn't this grandstanding SOB look into congressional waste??? At least the funds given to phoney preachers are voluntary, instead of being extracted at the point of the government gun---

9 posted on 12/28/2007 7:46:35 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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bttt


10 posted on 12/28/2007 7:49:17 AM PST by BlabItGrabIt (Crude Oil Doubling Prosperous Housing Market Tanking = DIMS)
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I’ve seen Pat Robertson promote this message as well using people who claimed to GET OUT OF DEBT this way -which I think is very dangerous.

I like the advise of the money manager David Ramsey...it is a christian’s duty to first get out of debt - and then there will be plenty of money leftover to make decisions regarding charity.
Otherwise the christian will waste many years giving a little here - a little there OR they can get their finances in order NOW - so they can give alot later.


11 posted on 12/28/2007 7:49:19 AM PST by Scotswife
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>>People have to be smart enough to protect themselves.<<

You would think that after the Jim and Tammy Faye Baker scandal, people would have wised up to this kind of fraud.
P.T. Barnum once famously said that there was a sucker born every minute. This story proves it!


12 posted on 12/28/2007 7:50:59 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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"'Gospel of wealth' facing scrutiny (tv evangelists) AP ^ | December 27, 2007 | ERIC GORSKI"

Would that AP and the other leftists outraged at the donations to wealthy TV evangelists by poor or middle income people, question forced "donations" through our tax dollars by the same "government officials holding hearings."

Instead, why not hold "hearings" into government sponsored waste, fraud, abuse and scams perpetrated by our elected officials.

To use faith as a way to scam people, will receive it's ultimate punishment - HELL for which there will be no pardon.

Governments who drive people into poverty through taxation and scams go unquestioned each and every day by our so-called "watch dogs" in the media, who in reality are in bed with the same pols who pull these never ending, unconstitutional scams.

13 posted on 12/28/2007 7:51:12 AM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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We have Hollier than Thou Freepers, without any facts, jumping on Christians like a pack of liberals going after a pro-life conservative.
Envy is worse than greed and FR Mountebacks are practicing it with ardor.


14 posted on 12/28/2007 7:53:56 AM PST by em2vn
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The prosperity crowd also fails to acknowledge Biblical accounts that show God doesn't always reward faithful believers, Palmer said.

The Book of Job is a case study in piety unrewarded...

I'm not defending these prosperity guys at all, but you can't criticize them for playing loose with Bible verses if you do the same or worse:

Job 41:10-12
10After Job had prayed for his friends, the LORD made him prosperous again and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring. 12The LORD blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the first.

15 posted on 12/28/2007 7:53:57 AM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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"They have Bible verses at the ready to make their case...."

Which is why it is so important to be "in the Word", so that when others would try to twist God's word for selfish reasons you would know The Truth.
I feel sorry for those that have been bilked, but God gave (most of) them sound mind and the ability to discern His will, but they seem to have chosen the easy, softer way which is to have someone else think for them and tell them what to do.
They have also taken their focus off of the face of Jesus and put in on the face of Grant, Jackson, et al.....

16 posted on 12/28/2007 7:54:01 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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“Governments who drive people into poverty through taxation and scams go unquestioned each and every day by our so-called “watch dogs” in the media”.

A fundamental truism that bears repeating.

Let’s start with the Department of Education and HUD.


17 posted on 12/28/2007 7:55:23 AM PST by EyeGuy
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Right now, I don't watch anyone on TV hardly.

Good advice, honey. Seems she learned the hard way.

"A fool and his money are soon parted."

18 posted on 12/28/2007 7:57:38 AM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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"I wanted to believe God wanted to do something great with me like he was doing with them," she said. "I'm angry and bitter about it. Right now, I don't watch anyone on TV hardly."

Ugh.

19 posted on 12/28/2007 7:59:43 AM PST by SoothingDave
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For outrageous Hucksterism none of the preachers mentioned match Rev. Robert Tilton.

Watch the video. It's a scream. Robert Tilton Is Pastor Gas

20 posted on 12/28/2007 7:59:46 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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